and as, as you guys know, waterboarding is a technique. it was a technique that at that time was lawful under the united states government. steve: that's right. >> people objected to it. a lot of journalists objected to it underwent waterboarding. late christopher hitchens put himself under it. in fact more journalists have been waterboarded than terrorists because it became the thing to do. this is completely ridiculous t was a lawful policy and it is no longer a lawful policy but the idea retrospectively that makes her a torturer is vile. pete: that she was too tough on terrorists. that is why we shouldn't like her? >> one of the things i hate, i have come to loathe about the political culture generally is the whole rear view mirror thing. so we've spent two years now investigating donald trump over russia. that hasn't really gone anywhere but we might have something on his tax returns from 1997. but if that doesn't go anywhere, let's go back to relitigate what was happening in the wakes of 9/11 everybody thought there would be another a

one problem, and investigative group is admitting haspel did not oversee the waterboarding of al qaeda terrorist abu zubaydah at that site. other news organizations had made that claim, not just democrats, but some republicans, in the case of paul, he claimed that she showed "lethal enjoyment at the suffering of terror suspects being tortured." intel officials already reacting, challenging those assertions. our garrett tenney is following these. >> critics of gina haspel have been pointing to this this story is evidence that she shouldn't be allowed to run the cia and it has fueled lawmaker concerns about the detention and interrogation of prospective terrorists following 9/11. what has no attracted -- at a cia black site in thailand back in 2002, a story that depicts in great detail haspel taunting and ridiculing a suffering terror to suspected terrorist abu zubaydah while he was tortured over the course of several weeks while former u.s. officials have confirmed that haspel did oversee the black site, today, propublica editor in chief said she was not involved in that particular inci

there is also a report she was involved in recordings related to waterboarding during her time. is she going to have a tough time with confirmation and what are your thoughts about her nomination? guest: she is going to have a tough time. it is probably a useful exercise that we have this debate about interrogation again. i do not think that can be avoided. she is also going to have a tough time as a political matter because the republicans who might support her only have 51 senators. marginve a one senator in the senate. host: and rand paul has already come out against her nomination. mccain wouldnator also likely vote against her because of the issues having to do with waterboarding. 49. brings you down to she has a reputation, 30 years of exemplary service as a clandestine officer. you do not get the position she has had a must people think you're doing a good good job. on the other hand, she has to defend her role in that period. host: is it a defense that she was carrying out orders from the top and at the time these interrogation techniques were not banned? does that carry

that is worse than waterboarding.tom line is if you have to make a terrorist talk in order to save lives then everything should be on the table including films, toes and noses. a lot of media critics have the luxury of not having to face such dilemmas. in their shiny studios they parrot the same old pointless phrase, but we are better than that. i'm not. [laughter] i will admit it. i am what is called a bad pers person, terrible even. the media however acts as if getting down in the street with your enemy only makes the terrorists hate you more. sorry, i can't see how they could do worse to us the 911. yeah, i'm sure isis wished we'd stuck to the high ground because then they would still be grading stealthy sticks out of westerners heads. hurt their feelings or their faces so. >> what? for once, let's proudly and loudly say we are not better than that because under control but it seemed to be working. we didn't lower the bar we removed the damn thing. [applause] if you must, then by all means say we are better than th

and waterboarding was one of them, chris. he said this repeatedly on the campaign trail, that waterboarding didn't go fair enough, that he would do that and worse. gina haspel has a real history with enhanced interrogation in the cia. >> i think anybody who's ever been in the military is against torture. it's the old question, do you want our enemies do what we do to other people? we don't want to get in the business of torture. and i want to go back over something. reasonable people, not a lot, but some voted for trump because he said, i'm going to stop all these stupid wars, which is something he was talking against his own party's record in afghanistan and iraq. no more trying to topple dictators. we're not going that anymore. it's not in our interests. and the other thing he promised that he's never done was to rebuild america. and whether you have to go to erie, pennsylvania, where the bridges are falling apart, he gave that money away to his rich friends instead of rebuilding. and that was a betrayal. i think the two th

they had previously recorded that she was overseeing this thailandr dark site in during the waterboarding of an al qaeda officer. and that took place before she arrived but she did still oversee this facility and participated in the destruction of a recording. will that play a role in her confirmation hearing? >> people are going to ask her whether she thought it was legitimate to do so regardless. even though she was not the officer in charge at the time, she will still have to defend her role subsequently and whether she agrees with that policy. vincent is on the line from tulsa, oklahoma on our republican line. good morning. gary, who did you work for? and i workedtown for senator moynihan, a democratic senator from new york. when he was vice chairman of the intelligence committee, i was the democratic staff to rector. and then i worked for president ronald reagan during his second term in office in the white house. host: john is calling from hot springs, arkansas on our independent line. caller: hello, kimberly. mr. schmidt, i would like to ask your opinion on something. guy, when the

i was waterboarded when i went through the course. i waterboarded at least 150 people. whom i'm sure were wondering what the heck is going on because it was all legal before. we used to do it for trach. we used to do it to people. you need to be prepared for this kind of thing. i guess that has all stopped as well now. look, all that ended for me. i hope it ends well for the new dci gina haspel. the president and our country needs her right there and i don't need to drag her through torture. >> sean: what other way, have you somebody like ksm. khalid sheikh mohammed, the master mind of 9/11, the worst attack in american history on our soil killing 3,000 americans. obviously declaring war on this country. is there a nice way to abstract information. build the soccer fields and take care of the dietary concerns and order personal chefs for those on the battlefield trying to kill americans, is that going to work? >> well, i don't know i have not been involved in anything like that. i have questioned people in the field when they have been captured. i have put some of that

head up the agency gina hash bill was in charge of the black sites in thailand where she not only waterboard and otherwise tortured people who were brought there in two thousand and two and around then but she destroyed the evidence she destroyed the videotapes that showed how these torture sessions including waterboarding were carried out in other words if you destroy evidence if you obstruct inquiries then you can move right ahead and i remember my friend john kiriakou who is persecuted and prosecuted and served two years jail time for what for revealing torture or not for doing it he commented when cina hash bill was named deputy director he commented that this is really really bad what will this say to the troops in the ranks it will say you can violate laws it will take care of you. moscow has said it had nothing to do with the poisoning of former russian intelligence agents or gas creep all and his daughter in the english city of salisbury. but i see you're moving to russia is innocent we're waiting for the united kingdom to respond sure requests that we filed in accordance with the ve

remind viewers exactly what waterboarding is.t could be the biggest point of controversy in her confirmation hearing. it is an enhanced interrogation technique that simulates drowning. it is torture. here is what it looks like. this graphic is provided by quick torture now.org. a person is strapped to a board or in some way their head is hangle -- angled downward and a cloth is placed over their mouth and water pours over the person feeling like their lungs are filled with water. and it has been used for decades but we heard about it when the cia acknowledged that it used the tactics on some terror suspects. according to doo classified cia cables, officers water boarded one suspect -- this guy -- 83 times in one month athas pele's prib. he told his children, i thought i was drowning and my chest was about to explode. nbc news larn-- learned haspel present at the interrogation that the cia denies. and then in 2009 obama banned this and called it torture. in 2014 the senate intelligence committee released a report about the tactics

i believe that waterboarding was legal at the time. i helped write the treatment.t as an authorized interrogation technique. after the passage of the detainee treatment act, it is clearly not authorized and i'm looking for her to acknowledge that this behavior is no longer allowed and that she will adhere to the law, as it exists. she, again, is very highly qualified. mr. clapper supports her. leon panetta supports her. mr. hayden supports her. she is excellent at what she does, but she will have to adhere to the law as it exists today. that will be the test for me. >> what about rand paul's objection that her name was on the cable ordering the destruction of the videotape evidence of the waterboarding. does that concern you? >> well, we'll look back and see what she did and what role she played. but i'm looking forward. at that time, the bush administration, i think, had the wrong view of the law, but the law is now very, very clear, thanks to senator mccain and others, and i will be looking for her to understand that the law has changed and she cannot engage in t

i used to teach it i was waterboarded when i went through the course. i waterboarded at least 150 people, some of whom i'm sure are right now wondering what the heck is going on because it was all legal before. we used to do it for training. we used to do it to people when you need to be prepared for this kind of thing. i guess that was all stopped as well now. look, all that ended for me. i hope it ends well for the new dci, gina. the president and our country needs her right there they don't need to drag her through torture. >> hannity: what other way -- if you have someone like ksf, khalid shaikh mo muhammad, mastermine of 9/11, the worst attack on our history, on our soil killing 3,000 americans, obviously declaring war on this country, it is there a nice way to extract information? if we build a soccer field and we take care of the dietary concerns and we order personal chefs for those on the battlefield that are trying to kill americans, is that going to work? >> well, i don't know. i've not been involved in anything like that i've certainly seen

other evidence given trump's pledge to keep the guantanamo bay operational and he's advocating of waterboarding everything falls into place it seems now the state department and the cia will have plenty in common you know in hansing not just interrogation techniques but a diplomatic routine to you also spoke to cia veteran ray mcgovern he says you know house bill is not exactly the best pick to head up the agency. jeana has spelled was in charge of the black sites in thailand where she not only water boarded and otherwise tortured people who were brought there and two thousand and two and around then but she destroyed the evidence she destroyed the videotapes that showed how these torture sessions including waterboarding ok were carried out in other words if you destroy evidence and if you obstruct inquiries then you can move right ahead and i remember my friend john kiriakou who is persecuted and prosecuted and served two years jail time for what for revealing torture or not for doing it he commented when cina hash bell was named deputy director he commented that this is really really bad what

he was waterboarding 38 times. haspel group of cia officials involved in group destroy videotapes. the aclu calls her a war criminal. john brennan the former cia chief under president obama said this on msnbc. watch. >> she has tried to carry out her responsibilities to the best of her ability and consistent with what cia legal authorities were. don't forget the intense interrogation program was authorized by the united states and deemed lawful by the department of justice. >> g.o.p. senator and chair richard burr has given haspel his support and senator john mccain who was tortured in vietnam says her confirmation should include a pledge to block any plan to reintroduce harsh interrogations. martha? >> martha: trace, thank you very much. my next guest sits on the house intelligence committee where he worked closely with mike pompeo before he became cia director. congressman pete king joins us now. good to see you this evening. obviously, one of the biggest reactions today. i think everybody sort of saw this coming. rex tillerson has even said in interviews, you know, i'm still her

ali, let me just ask you about this. 83 times, this particular suspect was waterboarded. this suspect was abu zubaydah. and in fact, you wrote in 2009 there was no actionable intelligence gained from using enhanced interrogation techniques on abu zubaydah that wasn't or couldn't have been gained from regular tactics. you actually interviewed him. >> yes, i interviewed abu zubaydah, and i didn't write this in "the new york times," i also -- i did, but that's not the only thing i did. i also testified under oath in congress about the same thing. about the fact that we did not know need to do enhanced interrogation techniques, enhanced interrogation techniques backfired. look, what we see today is the lack of moral, you know, reckoning. >> right, you're a former fbi special agent. >> yes. >> john mccain is a war hero and he's on the same side of this. he says, there are things you do and things you don't do if you have a moral conscious. >> exactly, i agree 100%. and also at the same time, if you look at the cia's own inspector general report, not one single eminent threat w

, which many consider torture. >> waterboarding violates our ideals and our values.d have gotten this information in other ways. in ways that were consistent with our values. >> obama stopped torture as policy and then at that time, those recent bush administration torture allegations were investigated. bush officials still denying those sessions were torture and then it turned out there were tapes of some of those sessions, over 90 of them, and investigators wanted the tapes to review what happened. but in the middle of that open probe, the cia destroyed 92 of these tapes, including tapes of a detainee at haspel's site. an the order to destroy the tapes came from official jose rodriguez. officials probed whether others were involved, including haspel, his top aid. other cia officials say she was a strong advocate for getting rid of the tapes. the agency's top lawyer says she persistently pressed for tape destruction, but officials argued that she was just carrying out an order, it was her supervisor who insisted that the tapes go away. >> i'm concerned about press r

she was responsible for running a secret cia black site in thailand where prisoners were waterboarded and tortured. if confirmed, she will become the first woman to head the cia. we'll have more on gina haspel and mike pompeo after headlines. trump's decision to fire rex tillerson as secretary of state is the latest shakeup to rock the administration, which has seen an unprecedented number of top officials ousted over the last year. on tuesday, the white house also fire the fourth highest-ranking official in the state department, steve goldstein, who served as the agency's undersecretary of public affairs. before he was fired, goldstein released a statement saying tillerson had not spoken to trump and that he, being tillerson, didn't know why he was fired. goldstein was the senior vice president of bp global solutions before serving in the state department. his departure leaves the state department with only one of the six undersecretary positions filled. tillerson's chief of staff and deputy chief of staff also submitted their resignations after their boss was fired. meanwhile, presi

he was waterboarded 83 times in a single month.in 2005, nbc news confirms that haspel took part in an order to destroy videotapes documenting those investigations. in 2009, former president obama ordered the secret cia detention centers to close down. i have former fbi special agent, a ali sufant with me. he served on the joint terrorism task force. he's also an outspoken critic of harsh interrogation tactics. ali, let me just ask you about this. 83 times, this particular suspect was waterboarded. this suspect was abu zubaydah. and in fact, you wrote in 2009 there was no actionable intelligence gained from using enhanced interrogation techniques on abu zubaydah that wasn't or couldn't have been gained from regular tactics. you actually interviewed him. >> yes, i interviewed abu zubaydah, and i didn't write this in "the new york times," i also -- i did, but that's not the only thing i did. i also testified under oath in congress about the same thing. about the fact that we did not know need to do enhanced interrogation techniques, e

waterboarding is torture. would we do it again? well, the president said during the campaign i'm all for it in fact, he said: why do it again and he said, and i quote. quoting now the president of the united states you bet your ass i would, end quote. so where are we? that's coming. ♪ psoriasis does that. it was tough getting out there on stage. i wanted to be clear. i wanted it to last. so i kept on fighting. i found something that worked. and keeps on working. now? they see me. see me. see if cosentyx could make a difference for you- cosentyx is proven to help people with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis... ...find clear skin that can last. don't use if you're allergic to cosentyx. before starting cosentyx, you should be checked for tuberculosis. an increased risk of infections and lowered ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms. or if you have received a vaccine or plan to. if you have inflammatory bowel disease, tell your doctor if symptoms develop or worsen. serious allergic re

did oversee in hansed interrogation, her colleagues said she was enthusiastic supporter of the waterboarding also evidence that she signed a cable to destroy the evidence, there were videotapes which i'm sure were ghastly of l the simulated drowning these were destroyed with her support and advocacy when she returned home to washington. i think there's got to be plenty of good people at the c.i.a. who weren't involved with torture, really, we're supposed to be symbol of hope for the world and people who want freedom from totalitarianism. they want freedom from torture -- this is a terrible -- >> brennan: that was u.s. policy at the time that wasn't her individual policy. but just -- >> she was at a -- >> brennan: on something there, sir, the investigator who looked into some of what you're talking about with those tapes, cbs news security contributor, former number two, mike morell, did clear haspel saying she didn't order the destruction, her superior did she just draftedded the cable. does that change your -- >> i think she was -- she was a willing participate in water boring, i think she

other evidence given trump's pledge to keep the guantanamo bay operational and he's advocating of waterboarding everything falls into place it seems now the state department and the cia will have plenty in common you know in hansing not just interrogation techniques but a diplomatic routine to. both new appointees will have to go through a senate confirmation hearings before it taking office and that means gina hospital is likely to be asked about her involvement in a cia interrogation program we discussed her appointment with john kerr john was the first cia officer to expose the agency's use of torture and to later serve jail time following the revelations. this is one of the worst moves i've ever heard of at the cia when i sort of couldn't believe it because you know haskell should be in the dock at the hague not in the director's office at cia do you know has full i has blood all over her hands she's the godmother of the cia's torture program the president is certainly a fan of torture he's come right out and said so and the only thing that it's stopping them from returning to this torture

peo pointing out that his previous support of so-called enhanced interrogation techniques like waterboarding against enemy combatants also his support for the iraq war will this visit never again well i believe that pump l. will be confirmed because. a senate will always give any president flexibility on their top nominee secretary of state defense treasury i think pump ill will be confirmed there will be some like rand paul and some other democrats that are very concerned about that interrogation technique i think senator mccain also i'm concerned about it. torture is not right it's not fundamental to american democracy it's wrong but indiana larry i think because of the negotiations with north korea the fact that we need a team in place to start those preparations that he will eventually be confirmed but it's going to take some time it's going to take sometimes for pompeo to get briefed get up to speed. with the state department with our foreign policy he's a smart man and he knows intelligence cia stuff which is international obviously but i think in the end he will be confirmed ok senate

. >> i oppose her because she believes waterboarding should be something we use, and i think americahouldn't be known for torture. >> gina haspel does not belong as head of the cia. she belongs in front of a judge answering to what she was doing running a torture operation at a black site in thailand. >> greg: digging pretty deep for that one. gina made decisions few people ever have to make. the world she operated in the villains she faced, she didn't have the luxury of talking about what to do. she had to do. the call she answered demanded it. was it torture? it wasn't back then. just because you don't like a tactic that doesn't make it torture. you could discuss the merits of such choices with pundits on tv rather than doing her job. she would probably be paid more. instead she took the risk and responsibility so we didn't have to. she responded not just of the worst attack on our country since pearl harbor but to a world ending threat. sure, it's easy to say it, but we are better than that. from a shiny newsroom. if you think whatever she did was wrong, what's your alternative? d

peo pointing out that his previous support of so-called enhanced interrogation techniques like waterboarding against enemy combatants also his support for the iraq war will this visa give again well i believe that pump l. will be confirmed because. a senate will always give any president flexibility on their top nominee secretary of state defense treasury i think pump ill will be confirmed there will be some like rand paul and some other democrats that are very concerned about that interrogation technique i think senator mccain also i'm concerned about it. torture is not right it's not fundamental to american democracy it's wrong but indiana larry i think because of the negotiations with north korea the fact that we need a team in place to start those preparations that he will eventually be confirmed but it's going to take some time it's going to take sometimes for pompeo to get briefed get up to speed. with the state department with our foreign policy he's a smart man and he knows intelligence cia stuff which is international obviously but i think in the end he will be confirmed ok since op

without waterboarding there is no. what part do they disagree with we are too tough on terrorists?y they don't want her? >> i think dr. gorka is right on this. if she was working for barack obama, they would call her imminently qualified. let's look at who is calling her qualified? leon panetta, hayden, morell, all of these folks that are sort of at the top echelon of the intelligence community in a bipartisan degree, one administration over the next, all support her because she is imminently qualified with over 30 years experience. to your point, sean, here's the thing. if you don't fifth the category that liberals think you are in depending on your race or gender then you don't count. gina is not qualified to be cia director because she is not a liberal. you look at what happened questioned american bridge assaulted and was arrested a male staff for them attacking a female member of the trump administration. and did you see any coverage of it today? no, no, sir in the "the washington post." nothing in the "new york times." there was a man arrested for assaulting a female member.

>> waterboarding was part that led us to save lives.mation that we got from him helped us catch him abali which stopped the second wave of catastrophic terror attacks, that were going to crash planes in tallest buildings in chicago, they were able to stop it. if i could address for a moment the article, the book they are referring to is my book enhanced interrogation and if they had bothered to read pages 262 and 263 they would see that it was in the spring of 2002 when the cia and fbi were interrating and what was happening was he was trying to fake confusion, he was not being waterboarded, using a technique he had described in his dairy and later admitted to me it was worth a shot but it didn't work because of what you guys did. it's just an effort to smear her. stuart: if the same situation were applied to do we would suffer a similar attack and we were in a very similar position today, do you think we would water board again, now ado is it would be deemed illegal? >> the law has changed. they would like you to think that gina haspel

gina haspel also later advocated for destroying videotapes of zubaydah's waterboarding. in new york, former black panther herman bell has been granted parole after 44 years in prison for the killing of two police officers. bell pleaded not guilty at trial and has said witness coercion and prosecutorial misconduct led to his conviction. his expected release date is april 17. in their decision to release bell, who is now 69 years old, parole board members cited a noteworthy letter from it and in person -- an un-named person -- likely the son of one of the victims, officer waverly jones. he wrote of bell's release -- "the simple answer is it would bring joy and peace as we have already forgiven herman bell publicly. on the other hand, to deny him parole again would cause us pain as we are reminded of the painful episode each time he appears before the board." in new york city, hundreds of protesters marched through the streets of manhattan thursday in support of farm workers with the coalition of immokalee workers, who are demanding that fast food giant wendy's sign on to a

she was one of the people that rent a cia black sites where prisoners were mercilessly tortured, waterboarded, etc., and she, we understand, was the agent who led the destruction of the cia torture tapes at the direction of the main torture at eeader jose rodriguez central intelligencegegency. amy: wwillll sak to o remy scahill and lee ngng o othe intercept, formec.c.i.a.fficicer john kiriako who was jailed after blowing the whistle on cia torture, and we will go to berlin to speak with wolfgang kaleck of the european center for constitutional and human rights, which has asked german prosecutors to issue an arrest warrant for gina haspel. you will find out why. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. president trump p has ousted secretary of state rex tillerson and said he will replace him with cia director mike pompeo. trump also announced t tuesday a twitter that cia depututy direcr gina haspel will be tapped to secede pompeo at the cia. th would need to be confmed byhe senat ginaaspel isowow facg majojo ququesons

current deputy director carried out in order that the agency destroyed waterboarding videos that ledo an investigation without charges. scott pruitt says there could be a showdown with california where lawmakers have led the nation in reducing emissions and air uitt says -- pr the state should not have the final say on setting emission standards for the rest of the country. >> they are talking with us. we will see where it leads. the waiver, i understand california's role in this process, california is not the arbiter of these issues. the epa makes those decisions. california contributes as well. and can't dictate to the rest of the country -- mark: the epa faces an april 1 deadline to decide whether obama era standards should be revised. global news 24 hours a day, powered by more than 2700 journalists and analysts in more than 120 countries. i'm mark crumpton. this is bloomberg. shery: thank you. let's get more perspective on our top news story. rex tillerson's ouster as secretary of state after a little more than a year. theave larry sabato jr., director for the center of politics

of al qaeda operative abu zubaydah, who was waterboarded nearly 80 times. she is no doubt going to be asked about that during confirmation hearings. david? >> all right, martha raddatz live at our washington bureau tonight. martha, thank you. >>> also at this hour, the massive storm hitting right now. the third nor'easter to slam into the east coast in less than two weeks. blizzard conditions across new england at this hour, several big rig accidents blocking highways, including i-290 near shrewsbury, massachusetts. first philly and new york, the system now slamming new england tonight, where up to two feet of snow is possible. winds gusting more than 80 miles per hour. blizzard conditions. and abc's adrienne bankert is in marshfield tonight. >> reporter: tonight, wicked weather. the third nor'easter in less than two weeks arrives in boston, as a full blown blizzard. >> if you're out there traveling on the streets of boston today, be very careful. >> look at the pile of the snow that these snow plows are pushing already. and it takes up lane and a half. >>

go out she says the threat of sanctions by the waterboard has spurred people in her community to intimidate their neighbors into not offering help. people have even threatened to kill us they've said they'll kill us one by one for giving water to the others imagine it people from our own community or. once we've made our way to the top of the hill again we're taken to see how dangerous the trip to fetch water can be. common panga lima slipped carrying water and broke her leg. if that. i didn't know it was broken my husband couldn't carry me alone he tried and i screamed my son said let's call the fire brigade but that would have taken forever it took ages to get to the hospital several neighbors helped if a disaster were to happen here a fire it would be a tragedy. what that meant that. she couldn't afford surgery so she'll have to sit without moving her leg for months with them and then the meccania doctor said i need surgery but i asked him to try to fix it with a cast he warned me it would take longer but i said ok our resources are limited. they wanted to put in pens. that lay out the d

other evidence given trump's pledge to keep guantanamo bay operational and he's advocating of waterboarding everything falls into place it seems now the state department and the cia will have plenty in common you know in hansing not just interrogation techniques but a diplomatic routine to. both nominees will now have to go through senate confirmation hearings before taking office however rights groups have already called on congress to reject both nominations human rights watch says that given the track record of pompei and hospital both likely to endorse abusive practices. he was one of the first officers to expose the agency's use of torture and was later serving a jail term for his well following the revelations he told me appointing gina hospital as head of the cia isn't one of trump's finest decisions this is one of the worst moves i ever heard at the cia when i sort of equity believe it because you know has or should be in the docket not in the directors of cia dina has all i has blood all over her hands she's the godmother of the cia's torture program the president is certainly a fa

this is say woman who is a poster child for what went wrong with waterboarding after 9/11. she should never be advanced to any position in the cia. >> do you have any other names in mind? >> there are many people, if you want a career person, someone who served in the cia, there are dozens and dozens of people who weren't involved with waterboarding, not directly involved with torture, that weren't gleefully showing how much they loved the idea of someone being tortured. i think she's absolutely disqualified. there are probably dozens of other people, i wouldn't presume to know the individual names at the cia, but i think we can find a career person that hasn't tortured anybody. >> you are the first we've heard to openly protest or block these nominations. do you think there are other republicans with you here? >> i don't think there will be very many republicans, if any republicans, this is up to the democrats who have said they are opposed to torture. are they going to allow someone to be at the head of the cia that ran torture in a foreign country. democrats need to step

other evidence given trump's pledge to keep the guantanamo bay operational and he's advocating of waterboarding everything falls into place it seems now the state department and the cia will have plenty in common you know in hansing not just interrogation techniques but a diplomatic routine to my pump air will take over from the current secretary of state rex tillerson at the end of this month reports that donald trump had been considering sacking his top diplomat had been circulating for months due to their numerous disagreements over government policy to the oceans removal was announced on twitter by the president and the abrupt move has got others on the social network sharing similar stories of rejection and led them to come up with a new word. if i hit now you're flying. a right wing canadian activist has been detained in france and banned from entering britain lauren a southern was held at a british border point and callaway the u.k. home office told her that she was being banned for distributing racist material in the town of luton last year one of the posters said is a gay going to two

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she was also was implicated in an attempt to destroy tapes of waterboarding procedures. >> her role and responsibility is going to be vague. phil mudd puts it well. you all know him. you can't hold someone accountable for operating a program that was decided above their head. so that will be awe fair point of analysis as well. gentlemen, thank you. >>> he was widely regarded as the plan the et's preefpl tphepbt scientist. a look back at the remarkable life of stephen hawking next. ♪ for all the noses that stuff up around daisies. for all the eyes that get itchy and watery near pugs. for all the people who sneeze around dust. there's flonase sensimist allergy relief. it relieves all your worst symptoms including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. it's more complete allergy relief. and all from a gentle mist you can barely feel. flonase sensimist helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. most pills only block one. and 6 is greater than 1. flonase sensimist. i accept i don't i even accept i i used thave a higher risk of stroke due to afib, a type of irregular heartbeat not caused b

. >> haspel ordered the destruction of waterboarding tapes.boss who wrote about it. "the cable left nothing to chance. it told them how to get rid of the tapes. they were to use an industrial-strength shredder." haspel's defenders say those black sites have to be seen in context. the justice department and president bush authorized the actions. the cia believed at the time the u.s. was facing another major attack and that wake of 9/11. >> gina someone i have great confidence in. having a professional, having someone who is nonpartisan and is not going to engage in policy will be seen as a breath of fresh air. >> trump spoke during the campaign about reinstating waterboarding. few in this ea would now supported. members of the paramilitary committee have welcomed haspel's nomination. defense secretary jim mattis is a big proponent as well. >> bret: with all of this happening, while secretary mattis is in kabul, afghanistan, interesting. >> secretary mattis is talking about how the military strategy is proceeding and whether the afghan president

he said were going to do waterboarding. he will pillage oil. and i take him at his word.ity. people who were involved in the torture program to start with. stephen bradberry was awesome legal counsel. a loyal his helped sign off on the torture memos. we've just a few minutes of time. i want to see if we can squeeze in a couple more questions. i see hands. there has been a lot less a discussion about accountability for the lawyers. they were paving the way. the program to be implemented. what they were likely to ever seen. the architects of that were two psychologists who had no experience their names were michel and jess. and so there had been challenges to the american psychological association against the licenses. in the torture program. and i'm unaware of any meaningful accountability. in seattle. they have a judge against them. there had been no sanctions that i have seen. or medical personnel. they have something to add to it. not as bad as if they came to light. has there been any repercussions for that. with some of the interviews have been done with these people.

terrorists were tortured and assists with an order to destroy cia evidence of said torture in waterboarding video all that news nearly buried another massive story, that trump's long-time personal aide, john mcentee was fired and escorted off the white house grounds amid a secret service investigation into alleged serious financial crimes. then tonight, house democrats dropped a new revelation about the russia investigation just hours after the west reported that roger stone had boasted of knowing about the wikileaks e-mails months before they were released. we'll talk about all those stories. we start with tillerson who described his own firing this way. >> i receive aid call today from the president of the united states at a little after noontime from air force one. i've also spoken to chief of staff kelly. >> tillerson says he got the call at noon which was hours after trump had tweeted out that tillerson would be replaced. a senior state department official told nbc news that tillerson learned of the firing from that tweet. sources familiar with the situation disputed that claiming chie

>> well, there was a book written about the torture treatment, the waterboarding.were basically gleeful. the man can't breathe and choking on saliva and water and saying oh, you are a good actor. can't believe a grown man is crying because of this treatment. and it almost seemed to be a little bit of glee in her voice. she actually enjoyed the torture. i think that's not who we need to lead the cia. there were many career officials at the cia perfectly competent to do this. we should not reward somebody. they went to thailand to do this because it was illegal in the united states. >> harris: there were black sites set up. we have learned so much about it. >> they went to thailand because it's illegal to do here. they also didn't present the prisoners to the red cross. they flew them around the world and secreted them in thailand which is against everything we say we are for. the geneva convention is supposed to be something about humane to prisoners. this is the wrong kind of message. >> harris: senator rand paul, running counter to the president today. i want to b