get an raps which soldiers use to protect themselves against landmines of course watertown connecticut has never seen a landmine so we are seeing this kind of. progression of military gear in the city is i think what you're referring to earlier was ferguson missouri but yes i'm sorry yes you're right not a problem i want to ask you about something else when asked about this program rear admiral john kirby the pentagon spokesman defended it completely now he said it was useful because it allows for the reuse of military equipment that otherwise would not would be disposed of what do you make of that response do you agree that we should be funneling that equipment for any reason other than otherwise that would go to waste. first of all as a military officer talking about lorillard local law enforcement so the arrow doesn't know what he's talking about when he when he is. commenting on what's good for american law enforcement on our streets number two are they handing nuclear bombs that are in saudis are they hand the nose off and number three the truth is their hand is now more than surp

in my home state, watertown, connecticut, a town of 22,000, got an armored personnel mrat vehicle to d soldiers from roadside bombs. there are no land mines in watertown. joining me, bradley of the "washington post." also the author of "rise of the warrior cop." and the director of the cato institu institute. baghdad usa was the headline showing a picture of ferguson. someone made this tweet comparing his gear in iraq to what officers in ferguson are wearing. really striking how armed people are in these suburbs. the program is known as 1033. tell me about it. why did this come into being and why would a police department need grenade launchers? >> it came into being informally in the early '80s during the reagan administration when reagan sort of off the cuff instructed the pentagon to start making surplus military equipment available to police departments across the country. it was formalized in the '90ss with the 1033 program which established a budget and an office. what we've seen is literally millions of pieces of military equipment transferred from the pentagon to local police