. >> hi david from watford.'d like to ask the panel if they think donald trump intervening in the war in ukraine by only talking to vladimir putin will actually help bring the situation to a successful conclusion? or do you think it's just going to make it worse and empowering vladimir putin to believe he's got the right to continue? >> well, that's david there. where you were discussing this earlier, emma, you've got a view on ukraine. >> well, if i if i'm correct, he has actually spoken to the zelenskyy and there isn't a suggestion that they. >> had said, oh, we didn't speak to me first. >> first. but also if he wants to solve the problem, he's probably going to need to start with the aggressor, right? and so and also now that we've just seen and we were talking about this earlier, but it's quite clear from what j.d. vance has said is that they're not planning on going over the ukrainians heads, that it doesn't seem like it would be possible for them actually to reach some kind of settlement without involving