if they decide to go one wayilate, and i think his voters solidified, his third-party defectors, and ours didn't, particularly when director comey did what he did 11 days out. their pollster -- >> tony fubritsio. >> he did a podcast with me at harvard. he said he saw that as well. without the third-party candidates, maybe it's different. who knows. >> hillary won debates, money, ground, the best tv ads. was it the traveling around, the vaudeville style politics of going five or six stops a day, was that the smart move in the end? just showing up? >> it probably helped him. i think it probably -- he looked -- people were seeing him every day. we were out there every day, too, but we missed a few spots. >> people come up to me and say, reasonable things, and i never want to say an answer because i don't know. would bernie have won? would bernie have beaten him? >> i don't think so. where. >> are you sure or not sure? tell me if you're not sure. >> i can't be sure because he wasn't in the race. >> can you imagine him beating trump? >> can i imagine him? i don't know. there are things yo