i guess there is worse things than saying you sound like waylon jennings. >> rose: were there peoplee would give me flack in my early 20s because i wasn't playing or doing anything wit. they said we would rather listen to you han half the shows we go to. >> rose: and then your wife was the one to convince you to do it. >> and it culminated a point in my life where i was working at a job in the railroad, went from conductor, yard master, all the way up to the operations supervisor for the whole facility and, you know, but i realized i wasn't fulfilled and i was really burned out and 80-hour weeks and i hit a point where this can't be it, you know, and she saw that, luckily, before i did and sort of pushed me and bought a little 12-track recorder for me to start making recordings at home. >> rose: you take exception of being labeled a post-er boy for traditional country, with names of traditional country people. >> sure. >> rose: it's almost like you like the outlaw. >> i just like not having rules. >> rose: or making them. i like to be able to go from one project to the next without s