after he left -- i think wayma as figured out that is what they will get from him. he left, a forensic expert, a computer forensic expert that evaluated the case and the most damning evidence came in and offered testimony about all kinds of data and the technical issues, technical kind of problems that uber had. it got very damning, very problematic very quickly. it was kind of an interesting contrast in travis kalanick's testimony. emily: what is next? hopefully, fewer i do not recalls. joel: fewer of those. larry page is still up. that is kind of later, but it will be interesting -- he is a very quiet person. he has been a bit awkward. i think he has the kind of show up and be better in court that we have seen him, as a result of kalanick's good performance. now, we are going to see some very difficult evidence, technical evidence. we are going to learn just how deep into the weeds this jury is willing to get. i think that is the real question. it is kind of a dicey proposition to guess what juries are going to do or what they are thinking. experience, juries have