it's the old wayne gretzky skate to where the puck is going to be.u think of greater penetration of renewables, what do you do when the wind doesn't blow and sun doesn't shine, have you to follow those resources with something and that something is likely to be natural gas. >> who would put something where the sun doesn't shine? that's an expression. >> that's rhetorical. >> yeah, right. >> is fed going to raise? you know about the fed. is fed going to raise in september still? >> you know, who knows. but i've said a million times on this show, what's more important than lift-off is trajectory. i think we had jay powell on, what, three weeks ago -- >> that was before what happened. >> yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. >> if you listen to larry summers, it sounds like you could have the ten-year yield, 2%, for a decade. >> look, you know, i don't get all that excited about when lift-off occurs. i really think, you know, there's enough good data in the united states that they could probably go forward in september if they wanted to. they may delay to december. wh