wayne smith brought in the black experience. max was at the v8, -- the v.a. the most extraordinary was bobby muller. dynamic,charismatic, captivating speaker. i still show the clip about this is where he talked about being shot in the chest. bobby was paralyzed from the chest down. he talked about the transformation on the soldiers themselves. he said the guys that went in and murdered 500 people, they w ere us. they were the good guys. they were the little league or -- leaguers. they were the choirboys. they experienced killing, and the process got transformed. i can tell you about my own transformation, from a good guy to a guy that left when -- laughed when kids got wasted. don't think it is some species of human beings. everyone of you can be turned that he would find inconceivable. -- you would find inconceivable. others come into class. the policyl with aspects. i kept trying to get robert mcnamara to come in. he was always friendly. he would always return my calls. i could not get him in. i invited him to come in with dan ellsberg, which was a mistake.

wayne shepherd. we did a benefit. [smith] did a benefit concert. remember that, righthe [mo'] kenny wayne sh, robert randolph. like i said, we did a benefit. i was like, "oh, a tornado is no joke." (chuckles) that thing grinds like a meat grinder, but it's not meat. it's wood and steel and just all this stuff. [smith] destn left's so bad. [mo'] it's so bad, definitely. also, i became friends with garth brooks and vince gill, guys from oklahoma. i started meetin' all these people from oklahoma. i started really lookin' at the pple even my favorite guitar player that i grew up with, david t. walker, was born in oklahoma, timmy b. schmit from the eagles. oklahoma is a state of great things. [smith] so yok have a connection thoma-ish. [mo'] it's a connection, but i kinda like had to dig and build it. [smith] right, i'm a littlrrie you wrote the song based on what you read on wikipedia. (audience laughs) this is actually, this has stuck with me. [mo'] nono i know people. and the people were in the area, i'm thinkin' like. thigarth brooks ish me. [mo like