it's waifl and would be really hard -- waysful and would be really hard to the pentagon. we could do tradeoffs to get efficiency. >> i don't think sequestration is going to happen. i may be an outlier in this group by saying that. i think it's unlikely. what is likely is that moving this agenda to the right each year on defense is that defense will go down significantly more than the $500 billion secretary panetta thinks he's put out over 10 years. that's the bottom line. whether it's fast or slow, it's going down. >> primarily military leaders will tell you that their expectation is that there's several hundred potentially significant reductions, you know, $300, some suggest, more to come, it's just that they want to do it on their terms and not have it shoved down their throat. >> i think that's what will happen, but it'll only happen in the context of a bigger agreement. >> i want to give todd an opportunity here. >> the other thing too is even if sequestration does happen, it can be reversed by congress >> so it's not an all-or- nothing game here. it could be a tempor