this was a story first broken by wbur, a station in boston. it was also picked up thereafter by the "boston globe" and the "miami herald" and ultimately by "the new york times." it was based on a couple of cases that centered around boston children's hospital. boston children's hospital, really elite children's hospital. it was almost an unbelievable bit of news when this started to emerge in the northeast last week. there had been no announcement about this from the trump administration. the only way anybody learned this trump administration plan was unfolding was when individual families started receiving letters from the trump administration that they had no warning of. they couldn't believe them when they received them. they didn't know what to make of them. they started to turn to doctors and lawyers and advocacy groups for help with understanding what this could mean. but the long and short of it, the cartoonishly even caricatured bottom line of it as it emerged last week and as we reported here on this show last week is that the trump a

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was initial reporting on the trump administration taking these actions from commonwealth magazine, wbured it up, ultimately "the new york times" did a front page story on one of these cases that had a very big impact. as we've seen the coverage of this story spread out, there's been a real uproar, and the trump administration sort of pulled back. they never announced the policy change in the first place. they then announced essentially they wouldn't go forward with the deportation threats they had issued in these letters. do you have any understanding, though, of the status of this policy and what is going to happen to the individual clients? is it clear to you? >> what is clear the administration has definitely terminated this program. uscis' deferred action program going forward. they say there may be opportunity for people who filed before august 7th to get this deferred action, but it's not clear what that does for the people who filed before august 7th and certainly does nothing at all for the people who filed since then. the iic filed december 16th an application for someone who w

kimberly atkins, senior washington correspondent for wbur, boston's npr news station. two more of our returning veterans, and welcome to you both. nancy, impeachment has been on the cover front page of everything with the possible exception of "sports illustrated" and the local favorite here, "horace and hound." how it is possible that this white house did not have some semblance of an impeachment defense shop up and running? >> well, i talked to a bunch of white house people today and trump allies, and what i learned is they were so consumed over the past year by the mueller investigation and all of the other scandals and issues that they've had that although they the past year by the mueller investigation and all of the other scandals and issues that they've had that although they definitely see impeachment is something that could happen if the democrats take back the house, i think they saw it as a distant possibility and it wasn't something they've gotten geared up with. what we've seen since the democrats have taken over the house is that the president and the whi

that radio station, wbur in boston, and then in the "boston globe," and then yesterday in "the new york times." and that moral condemnation is completely understandable. but i for one am going to leave that out of what i have to say about this story. because we are presenting this story again tonight with an objective. the goal here is to inform you of the news of what your government is doing, but possibly even more importantly in this particular instance, the goal here is to save a life. and the people who have the power to intervene and save this life will not hear the plea for her life. if it is hurled at them wrapped in moral outrage. the government officials who can change this death sentence in the coming days cannot be condemned into changing their policy. but they might be persuaded to change their policy if we keep telling them the story of maria isabel bueso. she came to this country when she was 7 years old at the invitation and request of my first guest, dr. paul harmatz, who told isabel's story to rachel maddow last night. he needed patients to conduct clinical trial forth

today he was asked to explain those comments on wbur.two years as i have of republican luncheons realizes that there's not a love for the president. there's a lot of fear of what it means to go against the president. >> nevada republican congressman told reporters he supports the house impeachment inquiry. he said, quote, let's put it through the process and see what happens. for more i'm joined by republican strategist and brepden buck, former chief communications advisor to speaker paul ryan. let me start with susan on this thing because we're already sitting around here thinking how's susan going to vote and how's murkowski going to vote, how these people like gardener out there in colorado, these people are fringe republicans right now fighting for their lives. do they want to be voting to exonerate this president on a impeachment vote? >> they don't want to have to take that vote because they're going to be torn. i think mitch mcdonnell, he doesn't have to bring this up for a vote so maybe he lets it stay. but there are a few steps

and kimberly atkins, senior washington correspondent for wbur, boston's npr news station. welcome to you all. phil, i'd like to begin with you. just tonight, tucker carlson, by the way, is quoted as calling this a great day for america and saying of bolton, he's a man of the left. what is your after-action report? was this loyalty problems or leaks? was this outside voices or actual policy? >> brian, it's basically all of the above, and by the time bolton left the administration, the list of his detractors, of the people inside the administration who did not admire him, was quite long. it included, by the way, the first lady and the chief of staff, mick mulvaney. trump and bolton have disagreed from really the beginning of this relationship, especially on north korea, but also on afghanistan, on iran, on other issues. the problem for trump in recent weeks, however, is that bolton's disagreements increasingly became publicly known through media reports. bolton, of course, denies that he has leaked those sorts of details, but it bothered the president that the disputes that

joining me, nbc news correspondent jeff bennett and phil rutger and wbur senior washington correspondent kimberly atkins. jeff, i do want to start with you. what is the reporting that the president said about those impeachment polls? >> well, two sources familiar tell our colleague kristen welker and me and president trump was talking about the impeachment to thiz his allies said if the number gets above 50 i'll worry about republican support and now we have this latest poll. an online poll, but a significant poll nonetheless that shows 55% of the american public supporting an impeachment process. an impeachment inquiry. that's an important distinction. but that they support democrats getting to the bottom of all of this. and right now, even though democrats are on this two-week break, you do have the house intelligence committee continuing with a pretty packed schedule. they have a number of depositions lined up with people who played a significant role in this sort of ukrainian gambit at least as outlined by the whistle-blower report. and democrats and the acting director of national i

sebastian younger and with us from "the washington examiner" tim carney and senior correspondent at wbur-bostoninclination has deep evolutionary roots and adaptive and helped keep us safe in a dangerous world against unknown outsider who might hurt us the downside for modernization is we don't live in groups of 20 or 50 people we live in a nation of hundreds of millions. the conference really is about this -- that sort of contradiction how do you maintain the good of tribalism and overcome the negative of it the size of the united states. >> i'll let you take the next question, ker. tribalism as you saw the former secretary of defense jim mattis talking about it, hard not to avoid that sort of the scenario, the example he was putting out there is exactly the way his former boss acts every day. >> yeah. he seems to -- the president thrives on this type of us against them sort of way of speaking in a way that really fuels that type of tribalism i thought that it was striking even at his rally in new mexico, that was supposed to be a pitch to hispanic voter. he talked in terms of who are you with