. >> is there anything suggestive to you of an ability to get weasew wie weisselberg, the golden gooseth? >> he is a different creature than the usual in trump world because he's disciplined. no comment, no comment. when did you ever hear president trump say that? so, you know, i think they are putting the screws on him, not just him but potentially family members, we'll see if that works or not. at times, it has worked. manafort and gaetz held tough for awhile and gaetz broke. we'll have to see what happens. >> quickly, norm, do you still believe that this could mean anything significant for the former president? >> i do and in our brookings report, we layout the massive evidence pulling it together for the first time about the significant risk that the president may face from prosecutors for falsification of business records, tax fraud, bank, insurance fraud, enterprise fraud so there is a substantial case there, still looking. we don't know how it will turn out substantial risk for president trump ahead. not unusual that the big fish is not charged in the first case. >> norm eisen,