encourage them to get into wellness and those sorts of things and that's the last thing i would say wegmans, safeways and others we want the opportunity to work with employees to change behavior. the helps the employee. nobody wants to get a heart attack or get sick. and so this bill -- it looks like stops you from doing that. we really ought to be looking at it the other way. we need to change behavior in a positive way. >> thank you, mr. chairman. and thanks to the witnesses. great questions all around. i think the idea of personal opportunity is really important and i agree with my colleague, congresswoman morris rogers on that. i think we can all agree on that. obviously, i think we have to do all we can to promote personal responsibility and when it comes to wellness i think that's absolutely critical. there's no doubt about it. there's a lot to like, i think, about this bill. certainly, i think wellness is a part of it. an important part of it. health i.t. is important as well was mentioned. i think a public plan option is the way to go and i'll ask dr. hacker about that in a second,

we put together a consortium of seven large businesses, wegmans is one of them and we had very good resultsple, we put into place a regional health information organization. we took efficiency experts from our manufacturing companies and put them in the hospital systems to make them more efficient. we developed a wellness program called live well that my company developed. we encourage employees to walk 10,000 steps a day. to eat five cups of fruits and vegetables a day. we turned it over to this group and last year we had over 200 organizations in rochester participate, more than 44,000 employees. it's the largest community-wide wellness program in the world. more recently, we've entered into a partnership, a consortium of business a health organization in this state that's given statutory authority by new york. they represent all the healthcare stakeholders in our community. they also represent labor unions. they represent the religious organizations, minority communities, et cetera. we have figured out how to collaborate in rochester. common ground is the key to that. what we'd like to b