you may remember the kind of defense that was installed on satellites. weinberg said, it doesn't bother me. the president reagan doesn't know any science, but it does bother me that he doesn't know any philosophy and history. of course, the point was precisely that if you don't have context, then put scientific developments into context or that see how science is changing history. if you didn't do that to way joining up, then you're going to get into trouble. well, little known fact and i was cradled on the enforced is ne, that's how old i am. pretty we're. but i, i don't know whether the quote from using which you don't use in the book. when he said, i maybe to bulk or full, that all he saw himself was finding a smooth pebble or a prettier shell. the great ocean of truth before him. central to this book is what the more we know the less we know. yes, i mean it's really, it's a striking fact about the history of knowledge, if you like that until the beginning of modern times that he's in the 16th the 17th century, people thought that an increase of knowledge meant a diminishment of igno

when gerhard weinberger speaks, i listen. and i would leave everyone with the wisdom that the earth is round. >> thanks. which, individual leadership matters greatly. on that point, you mentioned early 1941, which is justin was fired as head of the fleet. kimmel was in the position before. that chester is selected by fdr to take that position and he declines, saying he was too junior to the many senior officers above him. my question is, what is the significance of that decision? to not just have the navy but for the larger american prosecution of the war to come? at the time of the attack of pearl harbor? >> that's a great question. and that's one of the things that we like to do here at the museum, gossip. >> [laughs] >> the army called its personnel branch navigation at that time. i can't completely explain that. but -- worked closely with secretary knots. and it was faced with roosevelt. that we are not exactly entirely sure. roosevelt offered the job to nimitz. and nimitz, as adams said, declined, on the basis that -- he

this from the get go saying that nothing about this was illegal, but in 2016 the same year that mr. weinberg initiated this policy. you had a syrian couple. one of the couples that had been separated here in denmark, they complained to the countries ombudsman after that complaint was lodged, then you had a commission that was set up to investigate this. now just last year, this commission, they concluded that the order that mr roy burg initiated was, as they said, clearly illegal. since that happened, you had the danish parliament, they voted to try it, miss soy burge. and that's what led to this impeachment court, proceeding french president of general ed microns says he's willing to work together for europe, waste, hungary, despite differences with the country's government. many issues have divided them, but mutual concern about threats from russia form the key part of talks that he had with prime minister victor or been that the number of reports from budapest, the 1st trip to hungary by a french president in 14 years. and at the prime minister's office, the visitor didn't shy away from t

over the reservations with these hardliners and her husband's own administration as caspar weinberger says one of the world histories she really had a lot more willingness to trust the soviets and a lot more because she had a lot of faith in her husband's ability as a negotiator. revealing the diagnosis with alzheimer's you talk about nancy and barking on the final chapter of their story and write even her harshest critics would acknowledge the grace and determination she would show when her devotion was put to its greatest test. she would gain a new appreciation never again would anyone doubt that she had fixed on her ronnie for all those years was anything but genuine. she would become one of the most admired women in the country. i think a lot of us watched the way she cared for him as the sort of ultimate expression of their marriage vows and devotion. share a little bit more about that chapter and how difficult it was for her. >> it is the cruelest disease you could imagine. both of them assumed he leaves office closing in on a vigorous fit he is the only living president to comp

pushing for this to happen and a lot of the hardliners in her husband's own administration and weinbergerd, she was a lot more willing to trust the soviets and a lot of us because she had a lot of faith in her husband's ability as a negotiator. after reagan wrote his letter to the american people with his diagnosis with alzheimer's, you talk about nancy embarking on the final check of their love story. he right even her harshest critics would acknowledge grace and determination she wouldld sw when her devotion was put to its greatest test. seeing nancy's strength, the nation gained a new appreciation of her character, never again what anyone doubt our door in case she fixed on her ronnie for all those years was anything but genuine. she would become one of the most admired women in the country. i think a lot of us watched the way she cared for him as sort of the ultimate expression of their marriage vows and their devotion and i remember how fiercely protective she was of him in those final years. share a little more about that chapter how difficult it was for her. >> it is the cruelest d

. >> i was at a dinner party several years ago with steven weinberg, certainly the greatest fizz if cyst of my lifetime -- physicist of my lifetime, who died this year. lovely person. and we were talking about who each one of us most admired. steve said, well, it wasn't newton. newton lived all of his life in a small geographic circle, never saw the sea. someone would have come up with newton's ideas on georgiaty. it wasn't -- gravity. he said someone would have gotten the differential calculus. he said i think it was shakespeare because we speak the language that he taught us to speak. will people centuries past be thinking of churchill as having changed the rhetoric and purpose of democratic dialogue? >> i think so. i think that -- and, of course, shakespeare was a great hero of churchill's. churchill could quote endless readings of shakespeare. he always went to see shakespeare plays. shakespeare was minute from whom -- somebody from whom he took a lot of his language. but i think that he has given the world a certain language, a lexicon about democracy and human rights. but so long a

hear from people saying, you all of the pentagon, you are always exaggerating the threats, cat weinberger said that the soviets would fall, the chinese really aren't that good. but let me say, general jones and i serve as infantry platoon commanders in the name. i was in the ninth area, i was in the khoÏsan mountains, in my platoon, my mission was to interdict the ho chi minh trail. that was where the chinese brought supplies into the vietcong and into south vietnam. our mission was to keep them from doing that. so i have actually had personal experience with finding fighting against chinese military, these were tough fighters, these are not people that will put you over. so the notion that some people say, that they don't know how to fight, talk to the marines that fought them at the frozen chosen. we have the technology that has always been our military's advantage. they have gone ahead of us in some areas and are catching up in some areas. these technologies, missy, they are not just important to the pentagon. they are fundamental to our economy being competitive in the world and the f

i always like to remember doctor weinberg's quote. is not only been a mentor to me but he has been a lone star when he speaks you listen and everyone should listen. if i could leave everyone wisdom on this point is that the earth is round. >> a globe. >> thanks. >> i think individual leadership matters greatly. on that point you mentioned early 1941 fdr fired richardson as head of the fleet. i was in a position before that, selected by fdr to take that position and he declined saying he's too junior to many senior officers who were above him. my question is what is the significance of that decision to not just the navy but to the larger american prosecution of the war to come? >> that is a great question. it gets into one of the areas we really like to do here at the museum which is gossip. [laughter] mount was then chief, bear with me by the navy called the personnel branch bureau of navigation at that time. i cannot totally explain that but that is what happened. he was in charge of personnel both enlisted and officer personnel. he

. >> there was also john white weinberg. what about you?ave not been asked -- that would be one of the prominent reasons. it is a little bit of a charged environment. i would not say when you look at the administration you are finding a lot of people from finance and business backgrounds even in traditional roles in which they were occupied by financial people or commercial people or business people. i would say it is not something i mourn but i would have considered public service because what else is left? i worked at a high level goldman sachs 37 years. you want to do something different and make a contribution. but i am not mourning it. >> i hear janet yellen is looking for an exit. what about treasury secretary? would you throw your hat into the ring if you thought they were interested? >> who offered that job would decline that? you would have to be preparing for your end-of-life or jumping off the cliff or something like that. of course, to make that kind of contribution and be at the fulcrum of that large lever you would want to do

. >> well, there was one in between, john weinberg. one night you? that's why not you -- why not you? >> well, i would say among the many reasons, i have not been asked. that would be one of the prominent reasons. it is a little bit of a charged environment. i would not say when you look at the at ministry should you are finding a lot of people from finance and business backgrounds, even in traditional roles that are occupied by financial people or commercial people or business people. so i would say that it is not something that i mourn, but certainly i would have considered public service because in a way, what else is left? i worked at a high-level what goldman sachs for 37 years. you want to do something different, but i understand why it is not happening now. >> i hear janet yellen is looking for an exit. what about lloyd blankfein for treasury secretary? would you swear your head into the ring if you thought they were interested? >> who offered to that job would decline that? you would have to be preparing for your end-of-life or jumping off a