were you surprised allen weisselberg hasn't cooperated? >> they didn't really do to allen weisselberg what they did to me. the threat against me was that they were going to file an 85-page indictment that was going to include my wife. they were going to say she was a co-conspirator to the hush money payment which is absolutely nonsensical. i'm married 27 years, with the same woman for 29 years. there was no chance in the world i was going to put her at risk with these animals. the way they came down on me is nothing like what they're doing to weisselberg. they should be squeezing right now barry weisselberg who worked for the trump organization, and they should be squeezing jack weisselberg, who is one of only two organizations that they made loans to the trump organization that we still know -- when you talked about whether or not donald trump inflated or deflated his assets, every single word i had said about that is 100% accurate. >> are you their best -- are you their only witness on this, or have they found other witnesses? it does se

they should be squeezing right now barry weisselberg who worked for the trump organization and jack weisselberg the trump organization that we still know -- when you talked about whether or not donald trump inflated or deflated his assets, every single word i had said about that is 100% accurate. >> are you their best -- are you their only witness on this, or have they found other witnesses? it does seem as if -- they have this hypothesis but you've got to prove it. you're one witness. they're going to want somebody in the trump organization actively, too. do they have it? >> again, i don't want to get into the investigation at all. rest assured, i'm not their only witness. most importantly, what i gave to them are thousands and thousands of documents. as you know in law there's something called documentary evidence. i'm not asking anybody to believe me, no different than when i testified before the house oversight committee. every statement that i make i've backed up with documentary evidence. i truly believe they could indict donald trump tomorrow if they really wanted and be successful. >> d

and the cfo allen weisselberg pled guilty and so did the company.he company knowingly misled tax appraisers or misled banks for insurers that were providing the company with either loans or insurance policies in a way that would violate law. >> we should also point out the former president has not been charged. has the trump organization responded? >> they did not respond today, at that time eric trump, the president's son, and president trump have both called these investigations really politically motivated. they sometimes point to letitia james who is now running for governor and some comments she made running for a.g. where she said she would come after trump before she was even attorney general. so they view these as politically motivated investigations. >> jonathan, appreciate it. thank you. >>> joining us now, analyst jeffrey toobin. how concerned should the former president be? >> it is important because the existing case, the weisselberg case, is really a small potatoes case. it is very bad news for weisselberg personally, but the amounts o

i am still shocked that allen weisselberg is keeping his mouth shut.hat told the truth. at this point, he has everything to lose and nothing to gain. but he is not. we're still here. >> i appreciate the nuance from you both. the professor reminding of vague res on the procedural time the grand jury is functioning. let's keep an eye on what it may mean. bring in the references, dog. bring in the references. thank you both. >> thanks for having me. >> thank you both. smiles amidst that. >>> want to tell you about something we are working on. a special legal report on something you may have noticed, this rising main lining on the right of violence and vigilante justice amidst this very important trial of the men who killed ahmed arbery getting a nearly all white jury. our special report next. special. to treat hiv. y it's once-monthly injectable cabenuva. cabenuva is the only once-a-month, complete hiv treatment for adults who are undetectable. cabenuva helps keep me undetectable. it's two injections, given by a healthcare provider once a month. hiv pills

. >> alan weisselberg, rob leiberman. >> do you think we need to review his financial statements and his tax returns in order to compare them? >> yes. we funded it through trump org. >> and that is something a grand jury would know how to do. "the washington post" reports that the second grand jury was expected to hear evidence for the very first time today. the first manhattan grand jury investigating donald trump and his business returned indictments of tax fraud against donald trump's company and his chief financial officer, alan weisselberg. we'll have more on the new grand jury investigation, which will be led by the newly elected manhattan district attorney later in this hour. we begin tonight with the most absurd federal court hearing in history on the issue of presidential executive privilege. it was the most absurd such hearing because the person claiming the privilege is not the president of the united states. judge tonia shulkin who was appointed by president obama is presiding over the case of donald trump vs. benny thompson. benny thompson is the chair of the special hou

weisselberg pleaded not guilty.d back to the original focus which has been valuations. how did the trump administration value office buildings, golf courses. were they giving banks, lenders, even when they are they are trying to get tax deductions, were theyen plating the assets? were they giving an artificially low value when it time to pay taxes? cyrus vance jr.'s term is up in five weeks. they went to the supreme court twice to win them and they got them. there is a current fight under seal to subpoena the organization. if vance doesn't mack a decision in the next five weeks, that will fall to his successor, the new d.a. worked at the u. s. attorneys' office in manhattan. >> do you know if he wants this on his plate or if he will pursue it as passionately as cyrus vance did. . >> this case is more of vance's legacy and having to come into something new. everyone that i have spoken to who has worgsdked with alvin br said he will not look at this through a political lens. it is an interesting question. because will

let's take listen. >> you can bet your bottom dollar that alan weisselberg is not the key to this.after donald, they're going after don jr., eric, ivanka, a whole slew of individuals. >> what did you think about that, preet? >> i don't know what to make of it. michael cohen clearly is cooperating with that investigation in new york. he has said, and it's been reported, that he's met with investigators and prosecutors many, many times, so clearly he must have some insight based upon the kinds of questions he's being asked. but other things to remember are he never got any kind of formal cooperation agreement with my office in new york that prosecuted him. they didn't put out a report as to why that is so, but maybe they found him not to be a fully forthcoming witness. he is a pragmatic witness. he has taken a guilty plea for other things, lying to congress. the former cfo of the company is not the whole ball of wax. that may be so. maybe cohen is claiming that mantel for himself, but he is going to be a person that is so central and important to a prosecution that we don't care abou

by manhattan district attorney cy vance indicted the trump organization and its former cfo allen weisselberg. in kenosha, wisconsin, the judge overseeing the trial of teenage gunman kyle rittenhouse has removed a juror who was overheard joking about the shooting of jacob blake, an african-american man left paralyzed last year after he was shot by kenosha police. judge bruce schroeder agreed with prosecutors that the juror's comments were disqualifying. >> it is clear the appearance of bias is present, and it was seriously undermine the outcome of the case. i think the best under the circumstances is am going to dismiss you from the jury, sir. amy: meanwhile, in georgia, opening arguments begin today in the murder trial for the three white men who hunted down and killed black jogger ahmaud arbery last year. only a single black juror was chosen. the 11 others are white. after headlines, we'll speak with ben crump, attorney for ahmaud arbery's family. oklahoma's pardon and parole board has recommended clemency for julius jones, an african american man sentenced to die for a 1999 murder he says

alvin bragg and his chief financial officer allen weisselberg on charges of tax fraud. as michelle wu was the first woman and asian american to be elected the mayor of that city. in minneapolis voters rejected a valid initiative that would have replaced the city's police department with a department of public safety, an initiative that had contraction after the murder of george floyd. now one last look at new jersey, with steve kornacki. steve, what's going on there? >> well the holding pattern continues. you see jeff ciattarelli, still by 565 votes nothing new in a while. i'm starting to suspect strongly that we won't for the rest of the night. we did see one county clerk put up a message online saying that is it for the night, they will update the more votes in the morning. there are more votes, that is the headline. cheetah really clinging to the -- with murphy. there are more votes to come. most notably mercer county, the state capital is the blue county, a blue type of vote that is expected to come still in mercer county. the vote by mail with democrats do very wel

remember, another long time trump executive cfo allen weisselberg has already been indicted.t decision by the manhattan da mean? cnn's whitney wild reports. >> reporter: christine, prosecutors have been investigating the trump organization's chief operating officer matthew calamari for compensation he received as a top executive, that includes a company apartment and car. and whether he paid taxes on those benefits. the fact prosecutors have told calamari he won't be charged at least for now suggests that prosecutors are not going to try to flip him to gain his cooperation. the latest decision also comes as prosecutors sharpen their focus on the trump organization and specifically how it valued certain assets such as office towers and golf courses and, moreover, whether the organization either inflated or lowered those values for certain gains like tax benefits. cyrus vance, jr., is the manhattan district attorney, and he's in his final weeks of his term after he decided not to run for reelection. so the time is really ticking for him to make a decision on how he is going to

in felony indictments against to trump companies and his longtime chief financial officer allen weisselberg. and as we mentioned, we have some movement on the presidents economic plan tonight. president has been on the phone today with undecided note, but we said that before. tonight, there is where the house members are now planning to vote on both the infrastructure legislation and the financial bill tomorrow. democrats will likely have to go it alone on the so-called human infrastructure bill since there are still no republican vote for it. >> this bill, the social spending bill that they may vote on tonight, is for gasoline inflations. do emirate democrats claim to be a moderate? if you vote for the social spending package tonight, you are going to get your ass beat and you deserve it. >> and while the voting rights portion of biden's agenda remains completely stalled in congress, the justice department intervening the tried of stop some of the worst and most severe voting restrictions in our country. and a lawsuit filed today, doj is arguing the new texas law is unconstitutional. sayin

. >> and you can bet your bottom dollar that allen weisselberg is not, and i mean this, allen weisselbergals, family, you know, family as well. >> you're one witness. they're going to want somebody in the trump organization actively too. do they have it? >> so, again, i don't want to get into the investigation at all, but rest assured, i am not their only witness, and most importantly, what i gave to them are thousands and thousands of documents. every statement that i make, i've backed up with documentary evidence. i truly believe that they could indict donald trump tomorrow if they really wanted. they would be successful. >> wow, donna, my ears perked up when i heard that. >> mine did too. i mean, look, i do think that the hammer is coming against donald trump and all of those close associates of his that michael cohen named. i also think that when you couple that with donald trump being able to use the rnc to pay his legal bills, he raises all this money on the big lie and his political operations. he has the rnc and others come to mar-a-lago so that they can pay the outrageous hotel f

being conducted by the new york district attorney that resulted in the criminal indictment of alan weisselberg trump organization itself is criminally indicted for a 15-year criminal scheme to defraud in the first degree. that's no small potatoes coming to criminal indictments against a business, an organization. so i think it's instructive but all it tells us is this one member of the trump organization will not be indicted. we have to wait to see what comes next. >> glen, carol, two free guests i'm grateful for and thankful to take time from the holiday, thank you so much. >>> next hour the sentencing phase for three men convicted of killing ahmaud arbery. >>> later, what today is all about. giving thanks. we'll spend time with the native tribe whose ancestors helped the pilgrims 400 years ago. you are watching msnbc. [laughing and giggling] (woman) hey dad. miss us? (vo) reflect on the past, celebrate the future. season's greetings from audi. ray loves vacations. but his diabetes never seemed to take one. everything felt like a 'no'. everything. but then ray went from no to know. with frees

felony indictments against those two trump companies as well as the trump organization cfo, allan weisselberg. the pollsters reporting is unclear whether if that is still in evidence. a but now we are learning another. and that happened when the lawyers for donald trump for busy fielding another legal battle in d.c.. the house committee investigating january six is requesting documents from donald trump related to the insurrection. well from the national archives. and he is arguing that the materials protected by executive privilege. mind you, trump is not the executive in charge. president joe biden's. the white house has already said multiple times that privilege should not be invoked in this case. today, trump has his day in court, and while we have not heard a ruling of this case yet, the district court judge did not seem to strictly convinced by their argument. then we that is -- years ago we heard cases about the judge presiding on the, case because she is a public defender. and joyce alene, we is a former u.s. eternity for the northern district of alabama. glenn kirschner, let me start

weisselberg is not testifying. the chief operating officer is not going to testify. to prove a case you have to get somebody to testify. . >> i want to switch gears. happy thanksgiving. thank you for joining us. >> happy thanksgiving. . >> we are seeing a lot of people traveling. more and more people on planes acting completely unruly, out of hand. obviously a lot of this is being prioritized by law enforcement. the attorney general sent out a memo telling federal prosecutors, to prioritize these cases. so what do you read from that memo from the attorney general? . >> look, attorneys general do this all the time, put out memoranda to their states and say work together to prioritize he's kind of cases. this is going to be a tough travel season. there are federal crimes from assaulting flight staff to disrupting the flight or whatever. people can good to jail. look, another thing pay attention to -- i have a hard time seeing, for whatever reason we're not going to get into that today, but i have a hard time thinking this reaches that political drama because this is im

jury issued an indictment criminally charged the trump company's chief financial officer allen weisselbergmer. you may recall that. joining me to discuss this legal analyst barbara mcquade. barbara is of course an expert in criminal law, criminal procedure and national security law. barbara, it's great to vuioback on this show. whatted should we make of this second grand jury? does it tell us anything about where this investigation appears to be heading? >> well, it does and it doesn't. grand jury investigations are by definition secret, and so we only know little drips and drebs that get leaked out. and just because a grand jury is investigating doesn't mean charges will be returned. it means they'll investigate and could determine there's sufficient evidence or none at all. they'll begin lie looking at documents and records and talking to people. and if and when they think it's reaching a point they need to call people in to testify, that's when they impanel a grand jury, so it sounds like they've reached that stage. so i do think to suggest it's moving into an advanced stage and that th

felony indictments against two trump companies as well as the trump organization c fcht o, allen weisselberglear if that grand jury is still hearing evidence. now we learn of another. that happens on a day the lawyers for donald trump were busy fielding another legal battle in d.c. the house committee investigating january 6th is requesting documents from donald trump relating to the insurrection. well from the national archives. and he is arguing the material is the protected by executive privilege. mind you, trump is not the executive in charge. president joe biden is. the white house has already said multiple times that privilege should not be invoked in this case. today trump had his day in court. while we have not heard a ruling in the case yet. the district judge did not seem particularly convinced by arguments. ben kirk is a 30-year former federal prosecutor he was in the courtroom. he worked cases. and joes vanessa is a professor at the alabama school chl law and former u.s. attorney for are the northern district of alabama. glen, let me start with you. lay out what's at issue and wh

turn as opposed to looking at the individual tax treatment of executives, employees like allen weisselberg and the trump organization that this looks at trump himself and the organization for their undervaluing or overvaluing of the value of the properties depending on what they wanted. it was why they inflate the value if they wanted loans, deflate the value for the purpose of taxes, and that is a crime to engage in a scheme to defraud by making false statements to do so. that is a bread and butter fraud claim so it's a gift for prosecutors because it typically relies on documents and inconsistent statements around them. >> stick around. thank you guys for joining me today on this thanksgiving. i hope you have a happy one. >>> and coming up, they were just found guilty on multiple counts of murder. but the men who killed ahmaud arbery are still facing another trial. this one a federal trial. more on the hate crimes charges they will face in february. >>> also ahead, covid cases are now breaking records in parts of europe. will we in the united states be following suit as we have been? >>>

so let's talk about the first manhattan grand jury indicted trump organization cfo allen weisselbergtaking over. do we have any idea what charges they may be considering? >> it can be something continuing from the first, or it can be something new. what's happening is because of the backlog of federal criminal cases due to covid, you may need a special grand jury, and the same may be true in other jurisdictions as well. you may need a special grand jury dedicated solely to investigating trump or the trump organization. and the other one in new york was on the trump organization, which led to an indictment of the organization and its cfo. this could be targeting someone else within the organization. could be donald trump. it could be one of his children. it could be remember calamari. it could be any number of people. it's only speculation that would take us to understand why a second one. there could also be some expiration in the term of the first one, and this one is going to be meeting three times a week for six months. that is a heavy-duty assignment for any grand juror. >> i als

organization, and personally against the chief financial officer of his business, a man named allen weisselberg. those charges came about roughly five weeks after new york prosecutors had convened their first special grand jury to meet on that case and hear the evidence related to it with sort of unusual frequency. they called it a special grand jury because that special grand jury they convened in may didn't just meet weekly to look at that evidence, they met three days a week for six solid months looking at the evidence in that case. it didn't take long for them to hand down those first indictments. by july 1st they handed down those first indictments after they convened in late may. but they were convened for a period of six months and now it is six months on from that. we learned today in "the washington post" they have convened a second grand jury. and that second special grand jury is already seated, it's already in place, they're already hearing evidence in new york including, according to "the washington post" hearing evidence today. "the post" reports that while the first grand jury in

returned indictment of tax fraud against donald trump's company and his chief financial officer allen weisselberg. we will have more on the new grand jury investigation which will be led by the newly elected manhattan district attorney later in this hour. we will begin tonight with the most absurd federal court hearing in history on the issue of presidential executive privilege. it was the most absurd hearing, because the person planning the privilege, is not the president of the united states. judge tanya choke, and who was appointed by president obama, is presiding over the case of donald trump versus benny thompson, benny thompson is the chair of the special house select committee, investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol. donald trump's lawsuit claims executive privilege to prevent the house committee from obtaining written records of the trump white house that are kept at the national archives. president biden has ordered the archives to comply with the committee subpoena for those records, today the judge invited donald trump's lawyer to speak first, and he did not get off to a g

those grand juries indicted allen weisselberg, trump's cfo, and it may be time for them to end and apeople to pick up the work. it's been a long time for these grand jurors. the interesting thing to me is that it signals two things. one, they need to look at new subject matter, the valuations of trump's assets. and two, this may go on long into the term of a new manhattan da instead of ending with the old one. >> can you remind folks, you know, who may -- who may not be as red as -- how we got to this point. >> this is a criminal investigation of the trump organization by the manhattan da. and it -- it basically sfrang out of michael cohen. if you remember ions ago in 2018 and 2019, michael cohen said i work for the trump organization, they committed all sorts of problematic things. but one of the things was that they exaggerated or manipulated the values of their assets to fool their lenders, to fool their insurers, and to fool property tax authorities. that launched this investigation by the da, a separate one, a civil one by the new york attorney general that got hung up in court