new perjury charges against weisselberg if he won't cooperate further.hat is an effort in the ongoing campaign to either get or bolster what this d.a. clearly thinks is existing available criminal evidence against trump. that is to say, you don't seek this kind of cooperation unless you have reason to believe that the guy knows something that he can provide. this is "the new york times" report you see there. and bragg, well, he may be trying to turn over every stone or may think that weisselberg still knows things that could add to the aforementioned criminal case against donald trump. less than two months ago trump was indicted and arraigned in new york. >> here is donald trump walking in the hallway. let's listen to see if he speaks to reporters. >> it was trump himself in his own voice pleaded not guilty. >> we now have it. everything we have been talking about. >> these are felony crimes in new york state no matter who you are. we cannot and will not normalize serious criminal conduct. >> that was last month, early april. it's not exactly clear from

of course, weisselberg was trump's money man.tially of actions that weisselberg is privy to, that the d.a. may be interested in. of course, the other reason that testimony is interesting, we don't know what the perjury charges specifically are based around in weisselberg's testimony to letitia james, we don't know that yet. but i think the fact that the d.a. is interested in potentially prosecuting him based on those perjury charges suggests that there might be some offense taken to the system. in other words, if you're lying under oath or accused of lying under oath to another sitting elected official, that can really upset judges, prosecutors, and it -- it's like you're sticking your thumb in their face. so i think that may be at play. but the interesting thing here is that alvin bragg is not a political animal. a criticism of him in new york in that first year is that he wasn't political enough. so he's very meticulous and very cautious. so there is a lot that he knows that we don't. and surely, we'll be finding out more in th

weisselberg a second time. for information that the government already had in its possession when they brought the first charges, they should have brought them all at the same time. >> chuck rosenberg, thank you very much for joining us. we do appreciate it. >>> coming up, ahead, his family says he was a sheep farmer, not a senior al qaeda leader. what may have led to a major mistake overseas. >>> first, though, what jordan neely's family is asking for on the day of his funeral. s falymi the day of his funeral age is just a number, and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein. boost® high protein. now available in cinnabon® bakery-inspired flavor. learn more at boost.com/tv - double check that. now available in cinnabon® bakery-inspired flavor. eh, pretty good! (whistles) yeek. not cryin', are ya? let's tighten that. (fabric ripping) ooh. - wait, wh- wh- what was that? - huh? what, that? no, don't worry about that. here we go. -

s office hope to get out of allen weisselberg? >> allen weisselberg could be a key witness for them when it comes to the charges that have already been -- the criminal charges that have been filed against donald trump. why? michael cohen has already alleged that donald trump told him to reimburse stormy daniels at $130,000 for her silence and he said the one other person in the room before the 2016 election to have engaged in that conversation with donald trump was allen weisselberg. now, allen weisselberg has not cooperated with investigators when it comes to donald trump. he did come to a cooperation agreement, plea agreement that led to five months serving in rikers, but he only agreed as part of that cooperation agreement with prosecutors to testify against the trump organization. not specifically donald trump himself. and so now that he's out of rikers, if in fact alvin bragg attempts to bring him in and put the pressure on him, because he also an individual that signed checks to michael cohen to reimburse him for the stormy

given the fact weisselberg is 75.o prison unless you change your tune, it's not in the spirit of cooperating witnesses. it's not what i've experienced. federal prosecutors ordinarily don't do this. it just doesn't seem like the right way to do it. >> danny cevallos, good to sea -- see you, thank you so much. >>> up next, inside the heroic efforts by firefighters in north carolina to rescue people engulf instead this five alarm fire. ♪ ♪ ♪ searching savings with a click. ♪ online or in-store, for your health and your wallet. 85% of scripts are under ten dollars. cvs pharmacy. healthier happens together. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. with the money we saved, we tried electric unicycles. i think i've got it! doggy-paddle! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ age is just a number, and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein. boost® high protein. now available

alvin bragg is threatening to prosecutor allen weisselberg again. released from jail for tax fraud. weisselberg is now being pressured to testify about trump's alleged payments to stormy daniels. and trump himself has a special hearing in the hush money case on tuesday. a judge will be dictating how trump can handle evidence. specifically to stop him from using it to attack witnesses. joining me to discuss, harry lichtman, legal affairs columnist for the los angeles times. and former u.s. attorney. he hosts the talking feds podcast. back with us, david jolly, harry, you call the manhattan d. a.'s approach to weisselberg, quote, prosecutorial hardball. how do you see this playing out? >> 75 year old man has just gotten out of rikers, i think he has a taste of what he could be looking at. they are obviously going to try to make the case on him, alicia menendez, if they can. -- there's a perjury count. it looks like he told the dea in a previous interview that they only found out about trump's grotesque inflation of the square footage of his -- after i

weisselberg, who used to be his business guy, the guy who ran his businesses. he's now facing an additional perjury charge if he doesn't cooperate with the d.a. he apparently maybe was not so honest when he spoke with letitia james, who sued donald trump over financial fraud in the organization. what could be the challenges there? >> i think the challenges there are whether allen weisselberg is going to crack. one of the reasons to explore perjury charges is because the earlier iteration of a threat against weisselberg, insurance fraud charges, have not been enough to get his cooperation so far. joy, i looked at those deposition transcripts, they are part of the public record. he sat for three depositions with tish james' office in 2020. during those interviews, he told them that, yeah, trump overvalued his apartment by give or take $200 million. right. but that's not the lie. the lie is he was asked then, did he call financial institutions and tell them that he needed to correct that? and he said no, because i didn't learn about that error until much later. in

how it plays out will be up to allen weisselberg. and how much pressure he can handle.o jail. is he ready to do it again? having experienced it and that 75 years old. that is a real, that's why colin hardball. >> let me ask, you harry, in the hush money case, the fact that a former president needs to be brought into the court house and told what the basic rules are, how unusual is that? and do you think there is any way that he has the discipline to actually abide by the rules and regulations that he is offered? >> how unusual. i would say singular in american history. does he have the discipline? look, i mean, he was refused all these materials until he signs on tuesday in order that says that he won't post anything online. if it happens to all of a sudden appear there, will the judge be have it as -- he will. but my trump slip up in a campaign rally, let things out? yes, of course. the truth is once he is charged and gets all these discovery materials, it is not the end of the world if some of it comes out. but they are obviously very aware. he wouldn't do this for a

but doesn't seem to have gotten them where they want to go in terms of turning allen weisselberg intoso they now upped the ante to remind him they can charge him with perjury also a connection with a 2020 interview he gave to the attorney general's office. >> the other piece of news, noel dunfee coming out with these accusations against rudy giuliani. what does that stand out to you? >> everything about it stands out to me. it stands out to me for the sheer agreeableness of the allegations. >> you are still surprised by the egregious of things? >> i am. i sat through two plus weeks of the e. jean carroll trial. having experienced that i really thought i had seen quite a bit of everything, particularly with respect to the trump circle. this is a level of conduct here that if true, the sexual assault and harassment that she alleges is at a different level of criminality propensity for wrongdoing that which we have seen before for rudy giuliani. >> it strikes me that you referenced the dunfee allegations in the context of e. jean carroll because last night when i was with the sisters in

businesses in manhattan, which led to the conviction of donald trump's chief financial officer, adam weisselbergre reportedly investigating whether the surveillance system at mar-a-lago could have been tampered with. joining us is adam schiff of california, he served on the january six select committee and he's currently a candidate for senate in california. congressman schiff, thank you for joining us tonight. when i see these witnesses who defied your subpoenas on the january six committee being dragged into the grand jury, which they can't find any way around, i often wonder, what would the committee have liked to ask dan scavino, and what do you suspect he was being asked in the grand jury? >> well, you're right, we tried to get him to testify, and what we've seen in some parts of our democracy are broken in need to be fixed, and other parts are working, but they're working very slowly. the part where congress can compel someone to come testify is broken. they can essentially say, the heck with congress and walk away with little repercussions. but the justice department has much more power t

jeff any idea what exactly brad wants to learn from weisselberg and how he can help with the hush moneyon't exactly know what the charge they're trying to trump him with, but for him to go down the perjury, route that suggests -- that they find inconsistencies in his testimony. and in his deposition as prosecutors. and that could get him to flip. i actually disagree a little bit with charles and bill barr because i don't think there's any one major -- forgive the pun, you have all these legal issues happening on all fronts, and they're all equally dangerous to him. the documents cases are very dangerous, but so is the -- investigation. you think about the timeline of when these things coalesce. he has already been indicted by the manhattan d.a. in the stormy daniels case. if he is convicted in that case, before he is convicted, for instance, in another case, that could affect sentencing guidelines down the road. i think he's got a whole bunch of legal issues and they're all equal issues. >> all right, thank you for your insights. six months ago she was in a russian penal colony, but las

i've spoken to allen weisselberg about how to set the whole thing up with will -- >> so what do we gotand it is all the stuff -- all the stuff. because you never know where that -- i'm all over that. and i spoke to allen about it. when it comes time for the financing which will be -- >> what financing? >> we'll have to pay -- >> we're not paying with cash. >> no, no, no. >> of course you can never unhear. maybe he will get hit with a truck, pay with cash. hi, everybody. 5:00 in new york. apparently wh tasked with paying off a porn star you may also be prone to record your conversations with donald trump. that exchange between then candidate trump and his lawyer at the time michael cohen from september 2016 was about burying the story with cash in case a guy got hit by a truck that former playboy model karen mcdougal had an affair with trump ten years prior. trump falifying the records of that payment and his hush money payment to stormy dan yes, ma'ams is what a grand jury in manhattan indicted him for doing allegedly. the ex-president has pleaded not guilty to the 34 counts and denies