that month weissman and kariko were vaccinated with a flourish.at day about all of the years and decades of work it took to get to that point? >> yes. i was thinking about that, and thinking about what we went through. >> they put up some cameras and took pictures and had fun. >> reporter: pfizer, moderna, which one? >> pfizer. >> reporter: the covid vaccine reduced the death toll and helped people get back to relatively normal lives. was there any disappointment that vaccine didn't just sort of put an end to covid once and for all? >> in the beginning of the pandemic, i would go into the intensive care units and every bed would have a covid patient on a ventilator doing poorly. and now when i went into the intensive care units, there were no covid patients at all. and that's because of the vaccine. >> reporter: and their work will be used in the battle against some of the world's most difficult diseases. how bright is the future? >> it's truly phenomenal. right now there is 250 phase one clinical trials of rna vaccines. people are making vaccines

andrew weissman is here. we're going to get into a lot. stay with us. i'm back with you in just 60 seconds. i'm back with you in just 60 seconds. (tony) oh, no problem. (man) thanks. (tony) yes, problem. you need verizon. trade-in that old thing and get a new iphone 15 pro with tons of storage. so you can take all the pics! so many selfies. a preposterous amount of pano! that means panoramic. and as many portraits of me as your heart desires. (woman) how about none? (boy) none. (man) yea none feels right. (vo) trade-in any iphone in any condition and get a new iphone 15 pro and an ipad and apple watch se all on us. only on verizon. >>> we turn now to a big test for donald trump's legal and campaign issues. today is the last work day before that binding deadline for trump to pay up in the half billion dollar fraud penalty that he owes new york. trump's lawyers admitting a cash crunch. and as a losing defendant, under new york law, any losing defendant like trump must put the money down in order to appeal this fraud fund. these are facts that reveal the k

. >> reporter: at the university of pennsylvania medical school, drew weissman and cat alene care acoby chance at a copy machine in 1998. >> we both used to copy a lot of articles to read. we started talking. >> reporter: he was an immunologist studying cells that adapt to mount immune responses against diseases. she was a biochemist working with messen jer rna, known as mrna, the molecule that teaches cells how to make proteins. >> i'd joke it's like the reese's commercial where the chocolate and the peanut butter come together and make a new treat. >> we learned from each other. >> what is it, do you think, that makes a good scientific team? >> respect each other. listen to each other. we didn't try to overpower each other, you know. just -- did you try? >> no, never. >> reporter: their collaboration led to the pfizer and moderna vaccines in 2020. that year the virus spread worldwide, leading to global lockdowns and killing millions. >> i knew the minute i heard about it, it's a virus. it's a respiratory infection. i knew the vaccine was going to work. >> how did the lockdown affect

our legal experts, lisa marie and andrew weissman.nt to give an update on some serious money that donald trump is forking over. we've heard a lot about, will he do this? will he follow that? it's not up to him. he owes a lot of money in that defamation case with e. jean carroll. he filed an appeal today. we show you the rough breakdown with the interest of the fraud case, the fraud loss, the defamation case, and the bond cost for that. now he also needs a bond for his half a billion dollar judgment in that fraud case. trump's lawyers saying he might have to sell some of his properties to pay the penalty, which means he is not an elon musk level billionaire, if he's a billionaire at all. you would not see someone with 100 b having to sell anything to post bond. >> how close are you to securing the bond or what you need for that? >> i have a lot of money. i can do what i want to do. >> so, you're not worried. >> i don't worry about anything. no, i don't worry about the money. >> we are here with our guest, professor murray, he owes this

and luckily we have andrew weissman to analyze that too. >> big weird news there too. i'm looking forward to him planing that. >> thank you, rachel. >> thank you, lawrence.to you, e weissmann to analyze that for us, too. >> weird news there. i'm looking forward to him explaining that. >>> donald trump made a big prediction over the weekend that has excited a lot of people, the bloodbath prediction,f suddenly we discover the new york times think that's two words. news organizations think it's one word. his fanatical audience at his rally clapped for it, but they represent remember, less than 1% of donald trump's 74 million voters who voted for donald trump last time. more than 99% of trump voters have never been to a trump rally, and a large portion of the fanatics who to go to trump rallies, go to all of them, so the number of people in this country willing to leave their homes to hear donald trump's voice is not increasing. and, hundreds of people who are willing to do almost anything at the sound of donald trump's voice are now in prison because of their devotion to

ultimately, i disagree with andrew weissman. i don't think recusal in georgia can work the way he suggested. if there's recusal, i believe the entire office would have to be recused and a new da would have to be appointed. i think nathan wade said for the sake of democracy, the only way the elected da, fani willis and others could work on it would be for him to step aside. it's a blow for the case. he knows the case. he's worked the case. others have to get up to speed. i think it's the right choice for the team. >> melissa, in georgia an actual conflict of interest on the part of a prosecutor creates automatic disqualification in the law. appearance of impropriety does not create an automatic disqualification. do you agree the judge went a little too far? >> he said this was a tremendous lapse of judgment and her behavior had been unprofessional. these are grown adults. this is not the kind of ethical conflict you are worried about. the things where the prosecuor is having a relationship with the judge, defense, witness. this i

joining us now is andrew weissman.r chief of the criminal division in the eastern district of new york. coauthor of the trump indictments, the historic charging documents with commentary. andrew, liz shares your view of this. what can the justice department do given what we presume to be the schedule of the supreme court here? >> reporter: well there is nothing we can do about the fact that the supreme court has been lollygagging. now it is hearing it on the last day of this term. what can be done at that oral argument to press the conservative justices who are putting their thumb on the scale and delay. to press trump's counsel on why there is no legal legitimate grounds to delay a ruling. the ruling should come forth width. you lawrence have heard me talk about on this show how the public has a right to a speedy trial. donald trump's only interest here, the only issue in the supreme court is one of immunity. it is not the trial date. on the issue of immunity, anyone claiming immunity has interest in having that decid

i'm melissa murray. >> i'm andrew weissman. >> we are both nyu law professors, nbc legal analysts, now the co-authors of the new york times best selling book, the trump indictments. the hist forurge charging documents with commentary. donald trump is charged with 88 felony counts in four different jurisdictions. in this hour, we will cover the latest developments in donald trump's criminal cases starting with fulton county, georgia today. >> and we will also zoom out and reflect on whether the american justice system has so far proven whether to meet the challenges as we write in our book. the former president's attempt to politicize are corrupt, not only our elections, but the rule of law. january 6 committee member will join us. >>> and later in the hour, we had flip the script. and ask an anchor the important questions. chris hayes will join us to weigh in on the media's role in the event that voters ultimately get to render a verdict on donald trump before a jury does. >>> but the breaking news tonight will come out of fulton county, georgia, where fannie lewis learned she will not

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andrew weissman is back with us.and andrew, you know, it is a reasonably sized brief to a supreme court appeal. got 50 pages in here. did you find anything that is worthy of supreme court consideration in this argument? >> no. but to add to your list, it is worth noting that you can add donald trump himself. during the second impeachment, his argument as to why he should not be impeached successfully convicted in the senate was because he could always be criminally prosecuted later. that there should not be this rush to decide things now. he's about to leave office. there is always the criminal justice system. so you can add him to that litany. there are two things that i thought were quite interesting in this brief. one, you will really like because i was sitting here with you when you were pointing at brett kavanaugh before he was on the supreme court. he wrote an article where he said current presidents should have enjoyed criminal immunity, that you have to wait until they are out of office. and former presidents

but what makes this a defining moment, say weissman and murray, is that he is facing 91 criminal chargesr different courtrooms. in new york in the so-called hush money case, trump is accused of falsifying business records. in washington, d.c. and georgia, for allegedly conspiring to overturn the 2020 election. and in florida, for keeping classified documents at his mar-a-lago property. and what's at stake now for donald trump is not just his finances but possibly his freedom. >> the fact that we have these four indictments show that there is an appetite for accountability, but is he too much for the american legal system? i that i i think that's what we're about to find out many. >> reporter: overshadowing this tangle of trials is the fact that trump is also candidate trump. robert wray successfully defended trump when he first faced impeachment in late 2019. >> what federal prosecutors want, is they want the public to come to accept that the defendant was afforded fairness. i think there's a good percentage of chuntsountry righ that doesn't believe that. >> reporter: that is why profess

. >>> joining our discussion no is andrew weissman, former fbi general counsel , he is the co- author of the new york times best-selling book, "the trump indictments." for the purposes of this discussion, let's assume donald trump can't come up with any money. we get to monday and we get to tuesday after the deadline, attorney general is now 32 move against properties, what happens? >> so, i think that you are going to see the attorney general first put a lien on every piece of property, every bank account that she knows about. she can also seek damages -- >> she knows about all of it because of the lawsuit. >> she has a lot of discovery on what to do. she also gets to take discovery in aid of enforcement of the judgment. she can also seek to have the receiver appointed. remember barbara jones, a former federal judge is already monitoring the company but she can ask to appoint a receiver to start this process of seizing assets not just freezing them but seizing them. she will take the steps he needs to to make sure the citizens of new york are protected. >> let's go back to receiver f

weissman served as a lead prosecutor in former special counsel robert mueller's office, and he previously the mueller investigation. and we want to note one book review this week, the guardian's martin pengilly took a look at the washington book, how to read politicians. it's by carlos lozada of the new york times. pengilly calls the , quote, an authority of overview of us political publishing in the last decade. and carlos lozada, by the way, will be a guest in the coming weeks. on c-span's q&a program. and this week on book tv' progrt kara swisher talked about her career tech industry and its key players. here's a preview. burn book expression actually mean girls is out now, which is kind of too it is for you write things you really think about people and you're not. people are supposed toe of that. and you have fun with and mean a little bit, but funny. and so i decided that's what i was doing in my memoir of what my 30 years covering silicon valley, the same time that subhead is a tech love story. because i love tech. yeah. so i don't want this idea that there's a lot of tropes out th

back with me now is andrew weissman.ight, that this is cannon just punting on this call and what does that practically mean? >> i think you have it absolutely right. and i think it's really important that people not read this as, oh, she ruled for government. this is the worst possible decision for the government that she made today. and you're going to be like, why? >> oh, yes, why? >> so if she had said to the government, you know, you win, obviously, that's great for the government. it means she thinks it's right, and what would happen is if trump were convicted he could appeal that legal issue. if she had said to the government, you lose, the government gets to appeal that and go to the 11th circuit. that's 11th circuit where judge cannon has been reversed not once but twice. what she is trying to do is avoid at all costs doing anything that allows the government to go up to the 11th circuit, because what can they do? they can -- >> remove her from the case. >> so this is saying, oh, i think there's serious issues th

. >> reporter: former regulatory judge steve weissman is with uc berkeley's goldman school of public policy. he says the request to put off paying two-thirds of the billion dollar bill should raise a major red flag for regulators. >> the commission should be looking at what's going on there. what their plan b is if they don't get their way, in terms of spinning off their power plants. >> reporter: pg and e recently did get that reprieve from the cpuc, telling us it appreciated the agency's thoughtful review. but it didn't get the go ahead on its plan to raise the $3.5 billion in cash it says it needs. a regulatory judge recently rejected pg and e's request to sell off a stake of dams along the feather river and other plants. calling it not in the public interest, saying the terms of the sale are too vague, and it could push monthly rates even higher. pg and e says it will respond to the findings next month. that's when the public utilities commission is expected to decide the fate of the financing deal. jackson vander becken, nbc bay area news. >> if you have a story for our investig

andrew weissman and melissa murray are both nyu law professors. he served as senior prosecutor on the mueller russia investigation of the former president. i appreciate both of you being with us. so this book is fascinating because, i mean, it's it is all the indictments in a very readable form with commentary, which really kind of help explain, because i think a lot of people certainly have heard the broad brush, but but haven't really dug deep on it, your book outlines the context of the four criminal indictments just on this, on the civil case, on this, on this bond. were you surprised that he was able to come up with the money? do you think he'll be able to come up with the next one? >> well, i think one of the issues i have is trying to figure out where do you get the money and whether somebody cosigned. and the reason that's important is if this person is going to become the president of the united states again, you want to know who was he beholden to? so, for instance, a bank could say or chubb could have said, i will give you this money, b

. >> still with us, andrew weissman and joyce -- he is doing it again. what happens next? to continue to defame e. jean carroll endlessly. at some point i suspect lawyers will step in. trump may think that sticking point is that she already suffered damages and couldn't prove damages that she would have to prove in a third case. there is good argument that the impact of the ongoing defamation, even after the lawsuit, uniquely damages her. she has smart lawyers that are more than capable of crafting that theory. she has held trump accountable in ways no one else has. i don't think she's about to give up background. >> you have to wonder, in the history of the insurance company, how many criminal defendants facing four separate indictments in four separate jurisdictions were also suffering under the burden of massive judgments, how many of those people have been supported by the chubb insurance company in a situation like this. the company is in effect ensuring that donald trump or they will pay the verdict if e. jean carroll wins on appeal. it is probably something they hav

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. >> still with us, andrew weissman and joyce. joyce, he is doing it again. what happens next year?ating this like he has now got a license to continue to defame e. jean carroll endlessly. at some point i suspect her lawyers will step in. there might be another lawsuit. trump might think the second point is that she has suffered damages, she could not prove damages that she would have to prove in a third defamation case. there is good argument here that the impact of the ongoing defamation, even after the first two lawsuits, it uniquely damages carroll. she has smart lawyers that are more than capable of crafting a theory. she has held trump accountable in ways that no one has. i don't think she will give up that ground because she cannot, he cannot be stopped by these judgments. >> in the history of the chubb insurance company, how many criminal defendants facing four separate criminal indictments in for separate jurisdictions, also suffering under the burdens of massive civil judgments against him, how many of those people have been supported by the chubb insurance company in a si

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. >> stick with us to guide us through more of this, andrew weissman, thank you very much for starting off our discussion tonight, a podcast note, as donald trump's first criminal trial in manhattan approaches, you can now listen to the key excerpts of that indictment, read by tony, emmy, and golden globe winner, glenn close. >>> on the hush money payments, the defendant, donald j trump, repeatedly and fraudulently falsified new york business records to conceal criminal conduct that hid damaging information from the voting public during the 2016 presidential election. one component of the schema was that, at the defendant's request, a lawyer who then worked for the trump organization as special counsel to defendant, lawyer a, covertly paid $130,000 to an adult film actress, shortly before the election, to prevent her from publicizing a sexual encounter with the defendant. >> the special two-part trump indictments edition of the prosecuting donald trump podcast, covering all four criminal indictments, led by glenn close, liam neeson, peter coyote, rene foals barry, is available now, whe

joining us to discuss it all, andrew weissman, author of where law ends, and also with us, msnbc political analyst, tim o'brien, the senior executive editor for bloomberg opinion. greetings to you both.>> good to have you both. andrew, the trump indictment is bedside reading, let me tell you, it is really important stuff to layout the truth and the story lines that are involved. i want to focus on an interesting aspect that developed this past week, the reality of all of this has come home to roost with trump. the bottom line, he broke, let's just go with that of. effective last thursday, you have the judge putting in a monitor to oversee the finances, barbara jones, a retired federal judge has been overseeing the trump organization finances since 2022, she is now installed for the next three years to oversee this coming of the washington post headline talking about bankruptcy as one way out for donald trump's financial jam. but the reality, trump don't want to do that because he doesn't want to give the impression to his supporters that he is not the big billionaire that he claims to be.

a special edition of the last word defendant trump cohosted by andrew weissman and melissa murray starts right now. rray s. >>> good evening. welcome to a special defendant donald j. trump hour. there are just 17 days until donald trump goes on trial in manhattan on 34 criminal charges related to a 2016 campaign scheme to purchase adult film star stormy daniel's science so she would not talk about an alleged sexual encounter she had with trump shortly after his youngest child was born. with the pressure of the trial looming trump had spent the last three days escalating his attacks on judge juan marshawn. those attacks are not limited to the judge, but include the judge's daughter, who trump attacked by name on social media. >> the attacks he made on the judge in the civil fraud case against trump. now donald trump is under a gag order in the criminal case. tonight, the district attorney's office has asked the court to make abundantly clear the march 26th order protects family members of the court, the district attorney, and all other individuals mentioned in the order. the district atto

we have andrew weissman, former chief of the criminal division. and bradley moss is with us. national security attorney who represents people working in the intelligence community. and andrew, let me just go to your reading, the encouragement with which they bring up this issue again. >> this was the worst possible outcome for the government. because if the judge had simply said. the government could have appealed it. that is something that this judge is trying to avoid at all costs. but, she also did not want to rule in favor of the government. so what she did is why don't you bring this up it here. she flagged that and there will be a lot of complications if she deals with this after a jury is sworn in this case. because that is the key moment toward double jeopardy attaches. and their various legal consequences to that. so this is the worst possible decision for the government and by kicking it down the road and saying that i still may decide in donald trump's favor later, she has sort of avoided the 11th circuit, but not given the government what they clearly as you point

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i'm andrew weissman. >> i'm melissa murray. >> 34 criminal charges related to 2016 campaign scheme tochase stormy daniels' silence to not talk about an alleged sexual encounter she had with trump shortly after his youngest child was born. with the pressure of the trial looming, donald trump has spent the past three days escalating his attacks on new york judge who will preside over the upcoming criminal trial. these new attacks aren't limited to judge mar shand but also includes the judge's daughter who trump attacked by name on social media yesterday. >> all of this is part of a pattern. donald trump's attacks on the judge's family echo previous attacks he made against both the wife the law clerk of the judge in the civil fraud case against trump. now trump is under a gag order as he was in the new york civil case and d.c. january 6th criminal case. tonight, the district attorney's office has asked the court to quote, make abundantly clear the march 26th order protects family members of the court. the district attorney, and all other individuals mentioned in the order. furthermore, t

. >> martha: i want to play this from andrew weissman responding to this news earlier today. he was part of the trump investigation back during the administration. watch this. >> the key here is how to go forward because clearly wade is off. i think that this is such a huge body blow, almost a fatal blow to fani willis. i think the way forward, she has to voluntarily recuse herself. i don't know that she has it in her, but she has to say i'm going to appoint a chief assistant that will oversee this case. she clearly has no credibility with this judge. >> martha: what do you think about that? do you agree? >> i'd agree totally. when you hear commentators from the left that agree that there's no other responsible choice for her to make, i feel confident that's what she'll do. there's just no way a jury will give any credibility to her further involvement. it will undermine her own mission of prosecuting these individuals if she stays personally involved. it's been a series of really poor choices. >> martha: so what can you do with this subpoena effort? what are you guys looking

. >> and later, actually, andrew weissman and melissa murray are going to join me and we did something unusual for tonight's segment, alex. we rehearsed it. >>. >> we rehearsed for an hour in from a live audience at the 92nd street y. will bring all the melissa's best jokes and andrew's best jokes, tight. down too much tighter version during the show. >> i heard about the musical number at that event, so i'm super excited about it tonight, lawrence. >> things, alex. >>> and then there were two. it is now the biden versus trump campaign for the presidency. the challengers dropped out of the republican and democratic primary today, as expected. nikki haley managed to win one state last night, vermont, before dropping out of the campaign today. dean phillips one absolutely nothing, as expected, before dropping out of the democratic national primary today. the campaign was run on the assertion that joe biden is too old to be president. democratic primary voters almost unanimously agreed that joe biden is not old enough to be replaced by dean phillips. o'malley dillon, the chair of the bide

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prosecution of paul manafort is somebody you might recognize hear from our family at msnbc, andrew weissmanlegal contributor, he will be joining the last word with lawrence o'donnell right now. i suggest you stay. not it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening. >> couldn't have said it better myself. one of the things we will talk about is something , with andrew, something i mentioned last week, a week ago tonight. i ran a insurance commercial, so the sailboat and the nice things that they do and talked about at some length how chub insurance was helping donald trump post bond, $91 million and i don't know, i would hate to think it was something i said, rachel but in the meantime, as you know, chub has pulled out of negotiations with donald trump for the next big bond that you reported in the last hour. so, donald trump is now struggling without chub. >> i don't know if that was the only company in the running for the first bond. it seems like that was their only hope for the second bond. and, no dice. we will see if they get some sort of extension or the appeals co

with us is dannycevallos and andrew weissman.d fascist propaganda. >> all right. >> danny, fani willis can say whatever she wants to say in churches. she can say whatever she wants to say in press conferences. fani willis stepped over one line after another after another. it looks like the judge called her out on it, but said she can still continue in this case. >> both sides win and both sides lose at the same time in the sense that the defense motion is granted, but only technically. the d.a.'s office will stay on the case. they will offer up nathan wade as a sacrifice to the gods of justice. the d.a.'s office will stay. nathan wade will almost certainly be out. that's the choice. and it's really not a choice that was handed to the d.a.'s office. in that sense, the defense motion was granted. it will have a procedural impact on the team itself, because they have lost a major prosecutor. but overall, it's barely a win for the defense, but it's also barely a win for the d.a.'s office. while the judge allows them to stay on the ca

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and your weissman, who is also the co-author of the new book that trump indictments that has some great commentary walking people through those. we'll get to the book in a moment. it's great to have you here on the source in this predicament that trump is, it finds himself it, i mean, it's incredibly difficult one with not much time left to figure it out. >> well, one thing it's worth noting is this is a typical of what happens in a civil case when you have a judgment to the attorney general is actually already extended some leeway because the judgment is actually enforceable on the day that it was rendered, the 30 period is because the attorney general said as a matter of grace, i'm giving you 30 days now. donald trump has is his right has asked the court, the appellate courts, to somehow give him relief, and we'll see what happens there. but i think that is one of his only legal options at this point is to see whether the court of appeals is going to give them relief other than that, it appears as you noted that he may just be over leveraged, that reason he is not able to actually com

weissman. ward vice president. alexander. here president. mctominay here. thank you. so. accessibility information. translation services, virtual meeting information can all be found on our website at the notice of this meeting. and we are now going to take public comment on closed session agenda items only. so at this time, before the board goes into closed session, i call for any speakers to the closed session items listed on the agenda. there will be a total of five minutes for speakers. thank you, president tommy. we do have one card for in person, so go ahead sir. testing good afternoon. my name is chris tredinnick and i'm commenting on the cvra letter this past month i finished ten years serving as the board of supervisors appointee to the elections commission. i've also been an advocate for better election systems for over 20 years. last meeting i told you, i think single member districts would not be a good response to the letter. i also mentioned the idea of proportional ranked choice voting or pr-stv as another option. so thank you for the amendments to the reso

andrew weissman, i start with you.l, he had some temporary good news, and he had some bad news today. sort of an amazing confluence of things. so as you noted, the amount of the bond he has to put up is only 175 million. it's hard to sort of get those words out. but certainly that is less than 450 million. that does not mean that he ultimately may not have to pay 450 million. that issue of whether the judgment in full will be affirmed on appeal is one that's going to be decided quickly. i would note that two provisions that the court of appeals, the appellate court said are going to stay in place is having a compliance monitor and this independent monitor overseeing donald trump. that they said is not stayed. so he is going to have what i'd like to term two babysitters overseeing him during the course of this appeal to make sure there are no financial shenanigans. and then of course he had bad news in terms of the date that was -- the soonest date that could possibly -- the criminal case could have occurred, which is a

with tim hafi and former top official at the department of justice and msnbc legal analyst, andrew weissman only coming out now. there are a number of people that work in an around the president. and the disclosure of their identities and activities presents national security risk. and we wanted access to those people but the white house, the biden white house put restrictions on our access to them not identifying them publicly. not using their voice or image in any public release and not making public their testimony. that was an accommodation that the current white house insisted upon in order to give us access to that information. so this narrative that in or other transcripts were hidden or not disclosed publicly is ridiculous. they were not released because of that accommodation. then on the merits, everything that the times article relates from a transcript is completely consistent with the story that we were able to tell from non confidential sources. you know, we have a lot of testimony about that very contentious phone call between the president and the vice president that morning.

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. >> joining us, msnbc legal analyst, danny cevallos, and andrew weissman, co-author of the new book. i would think a judgment in a civil trial finding the defendant liable means the consequences he has to pay with his own money, and that's pay the consequence. are there rules around who pays the judgments or can anybody jump in and bail him out and is trump going to get some political supporter, perhaps, that could help him? >> anybody can jump in, to answer your question. >> really? >> there's no restriction on getting a friend -- it can be an american or somebody overseas, and anybody can come in. so far that has not happened. i think one thing we learned is donald trump simply, in spite of what he has been telling the public, does not have the money. his story is that he does not have liquid assets, he does not have cash to put up to satisfy the bond, and the bond is typical, that's a standard thing. his claim that he can't do that because all of his real assets are in real estate, that doesn't make sense. if he had real estate with equity in it, he would do what many homeowners

here's how former federal prosecutor andrew weissman reacted to donald trump's comments. >> it actuallyudges have not imposed the gag order as to themselves. >> right. >> judges, i think, bend over backwards. but it will be interesting to see whether judge expands it. it is really important not to normalize this. so many people talk about predicting what would a trump 2.0 administration be and should we really think he's going to be a dictator and what will happen? my response to that is you can look right now at what he's doing and saying. and for people who are fair-minded, i would say, what do you say about something who attacks the daughter of a judge? >> that's right. >> is there no depths to which he will not descend? it is so important to not get enured to what this is. >> the courts allow it. practicing law for the short while i practiced law when i was younger, if anybody, if a defendant, a lawyer, if anybody said something like this about a judge or a judge's family member, they would immediately go to jail. they might be given a really harsh warning. their lawyer would probab