narrator: by 2002, many people left the welfare party for another fundamentalist party: the justice andevelopment party. and he, too, turks vot more agan and a stagnant economy than they voted for religion. they helped elect this man, tayyip erdogan, as prime minister with only 34% of the votes. then the u.s. asked to use turkish soil to enter iraq. turkey said no, but appealed unsuccessfully to help with the invasion. it seems turkey has a big problem on its southeast border. for decades, they battled kurdish minorities that want greater autonomy or even independence. the kurds are the world's largest nation without their own state. with saddam removed, turkey fears the possible breakup of iraq along ethnic and religious lines. in the north, iraq's kurds could control vast oil riches. they might then spire turkey's kurdish areas to join th under one flag. within turkey, the ongoing civil war has forced millions to flee to its western cities, just accelerating rural to urban migration. the violence highlights another trend as well: turkey's human rights record. unfortunately, turkey has

welfare. do both parties do it sometimes? yes. some of the department of energy loans came from republicans as well. i'll oppose it, no matter who is doing it. [applause] but ultimately, this election for me is about something very fundamental about our country. it's about the american dream. and i think we have two different belief systems, we have two different visions of where the american dream goes or comes from. i think the american dream is not where you are now, it's where you want to go. and it's do you believe that you're stuck where you are, or do you believe that there is a future for you? do you believe that if you work hard it makes a difference. do you believe that if you go to class and make straight a's you'll do better than if you make straight f's? i don't think it's random who succeeds. there will be somebody in your class that will make straight f's and be a millionaire and prove me wrong but herries is -- merit is based on how hard you work. how smart you are is based on how hard you work for the most part. d

differences between the opposition labor party and the conservative party, particularly in education, national health service, and welfare reform. this is 15 minutes. -- 50 minutes. >> thank you. >> in may 2010, this party stood on the threshold of power for the first time in more than a decade. we knew then that it was not just the ordinary duties of office that we were assuming. we were entering into government at a grave moment in the modern history of britain. at a time when people felt uncertainty, even fear. here was the challenge -- to make an insolvent nation solvent again. to set our country back on the path to prosperity that all can share in. to bring home our troops from danger while keeping our citizens safe from terror. to mend a broken society. two and a half years later of course i cannot tell you that all is well, but i can say this -- britain is on the right track. as prime minister it has fallen to me to say some hard things and to help our country face some hard truths. all of my adult life, whatever the difficulties, the british people have at least been confident about one thing. we have thought we

welfare. do both parties do it? yes. i will oppose is no matter who is doing it.ause] ultimately, at this election for me is about something very fundamental about our country. it is about the american dream. we have two different belief systems. we have two different visions of where the american dream goes. the american dream is not where you are now. it is where you want to go. do you believe you are stuck where you are? do you believe there is a future for you? to do you believe if you work hard makes a difference? to believe if you go to school and make straight a's will do better than if he made straight f's? merritt is based on your work and how hard you try. do you believe in that merit based idea are do we think things are random and ought to be redistributed by someone who is smarter than we are and to list in washington and set up a committee to say some people should have one car instead of some people having three and some having none. do you really believe in the american dream that the numbers are staggering. when it the greatest things is and mobil

welfare. the republican party strong embrace of conservative, social issue positions also has appealed to very not a full embrace of the republican party by catholics. democrats have experienced substantial loss -- among catholics but republicans have experienced relatively modest gains. like the rest of the e lek trait, catholics have become increasingly independent of the political parties. the trend among partisans is increased republicanism among white catholics who are about 60% of c.a.t libeling -- catholic and increase support for democrats among new immigrant nonwhite catholics especially the fast growing latino population which is about one-third of all catholics. in 2008, a majority of white catholics voted for john mccain but two-thirds of latino catholics voted for barack obama. republicans have strong support among those catholics who attend religious services often democrats have strong support among the so-called nominal or cultural catholic. indeed in 2008 john mccain won 51% of weekly church attending catholics, obama's catholic majority was anchored by the strong support from

welfare. the republican party's strong embrace of conservative social issue positions also has appealed to verytional regular church-going catholics who care more about such issues as abortion and contra situation than they do -- contraception than they do taxes. nonetheless, the shift away from the once-democratic party dominance of the catholic vote has not meant a full embrace of the republican party by catholics. democrats have experienced substantial losses among catholics, but republicans have experienced relatively modest gain cans. like the rest of the electorate, catholics have become increasingly independent of the political parties. the trend among partisans is increased republicanism among white catholics who are about 60% of catholics and increased support for democrats among new immigrant/nonwhite catholics, especially the fast-growing latino population which is about one-third of all catholics. in 2008 a majority of white catholics voted for john mccain, but two-thirds of latino catholics voted for barack obama. republicans have strong support among those catholics who attend rel

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welfare. do both parties do it? yes. i will oppose is no matter who is doing it.] ultimately, this election for me is about something very fundamental about our country. it is about the american dream. we have two different belief systems. we have two different visions of where the american dream goes. the american dream is not where you are now. it is where you want to go. do you believe you are stuck where you are? do you believe there is a future for you? do you believe if you work hard makes a difference? do believe if you go to school and make straight a's will do better than if yo u made straight f's? random whonk it's succeeds. merit is based on your work and how hard you try. do you believe in that merit based idea are do we think things are random and ought to be redistributed by someone who is smarter than we are and to list in washington and set up a committee to say some people should have one car instead of some people having three and some having none. do you really believe in the american dream that the numbers are staggering. one of the greatest th

to deal with the budget it's hard to see however how the shas party and the others that are very strong defenders of spending on social welfare are going to change their minds after an election when they will be even more committed so it seems that the real purpose is to safeguard his political flanks before he begins to head a downward spiral politically going into next year especially if president obama is re-elected here and turned some screws on him given the prime minister netanyahu had interfered a bit in the american presidential election this year now prime minister netanyahu is hoping still that his personal friend and ally mitt romney might be elected president of the united states which would put an end to that argument but there is a sense in the center and left of israel's political spectrum that netanyahu is running roughshod and is in danger and what is israel's most important international relationship meanwhile in the u.s. or paulson the north me troll needs to shop business says it's straight ahead republican nominee homemade smoke one cigarette and he's lined up they had no problem with pushing millions of

welfare checks than jobs? >> i think whether it's condemning or not is defining because it shows that both the presidential and vice presidential candidates and the republican party have the same attitude that there's a large block of americans, one saying 47, the other saying 30%, that want to be welfare dependent or want a welfare state and they want to be president and vice president. when they identify this large block of americans that in effect, they're saying are mooches. what what's interesting, one tape, you have a president now or candidate at that time, that was questioning the administration. the other, you have a vice presidential candidate questioning the american people. i think the contrast is obvious. >> one thing we should talk about coming up to tonight's debate is mitt romney's had a lot of practice, he also had awkward moments. take a look. >> 10,000 bucks? $10,000 bet? i'm running for office for pete's sake, i can't have illegals. i'm mitt romney and yes, wolf, that's also my first name. >> will you follow your father's example? >> maybe. i'm speaking. i'm speaking. you get 30 seconds. this is the way the rules work here is that i get 60 sec

craft party they're just two sides of the same false scorning they're they're both interested in warfare and welfare and at this point the situation's almost irredeemable you'll notice that they don't talk about serious things about the economy they talk about trivia like whether whether. public broadcasting and big bird should really but what does that that's that's one hundred million dollars or something a frightening rate we're talking about the government with a sixteen trillion dollar but that's just acknowledged national debt we're not talking about. obligations that are payable in the future and aren't counted on that the real that is someplace in between seventy trillion and two hundred trillion dollars it's totally impossible to pay back the impossible can't be done so it's going to be defaulted on directly or more likely indirectly through inflation which is what you think that they that they've got to just try and print and print and print and exactly what's going to happen to all those people that are saving dollars the dollars are going to dry up and blow away as the currencies of so m

welfare. the shift away from the once democratic party dominance of the catholic vote has not meant a full embrace of the republican party by catholics. democrats have experienced substantial loss among catholics, but republicans have experienced relatively modest gains. like the rest of the electorate, catholics have become increasingly independent of the political parties. the trend among partisans is increased -- republican listen, among white catholics and 60%, and increased support among democrats with the fast-growing latino population, which is about 1/3 of all catholics. in 2008, a majority of white catholics voted for john mccain, but 2/3 of latino catholics voted for barack obama. republicans have strong support among those catholics who attend religious services often. democrats have strong support among the so-called nominal or cultural catholics. in 2008, john mccain won 51% of weekly church attending catholics, and obama's catholic majority was anchored by his strong support from occasional and non-church attending catholics. for the 2012 election, it is likely that the divide betwee

and let us be the party that shows there is ability and promise in each and every one of our citizens. [applause] and just one more thing on welfare. you know our work experience program that we give young people a chance to work in a supermarket, in a shop or an office? here's what one trade union official said about it. i quote, this scheme belongs back in the 19th century, along with oliver twist. it is nothing short of state-sponsored slavery. what a snobbish, appalling, outdated wrongheaded attribute to the idea of work. we are not sending young people of chimneys. we're giving them a chance. we are not asking something of people. the women asked nothing of them. work isn't slavery. it's poverty that is slavery. and let it be us, the conservatives who lead the fight against poverty in britain today. [applause] >> help people rise, to help britain rise there is a third crucial thing we have to do. educate all our children. and i mean really educate them. not just pump up the grades each year. in math, and science come in reading we have fallen behind. not just behind germany and canada, but behind estonia and australia, to. th

so how we got to be known as the party that, the movement that is weak on defense, weak on crime, weak on welfareresponsible in handling money, but i'm ready to rest my case with history. >> mcgovern later served as the first u.n. global ambassador on hunger. president obama remembered him as a statesman of great conscience and conviction. his family said the senator died peacefully in a south dakota hospice. >>> mitt romney's formal fund-raising season is over. the republican presidential nominee held his final fund-raiser last night. he raised $361 million this election cycle. he will continue to the accept donations through election davie ya his campaign website, by mail and text message. >>> president obama will put what his campaign calls an all-nighter in battleground states this weekend. he will rally supporters an undecide voter in iowa, colorado, nevada, florida, virginia and ohio during a whirlwind tour and stop off in chicago to vote, presumably for himself. he will be the first sitting president in history to cast an early ballot. >>> jesse jackson jr. is speaking for the first time s

because he did these prison litigation reform act, welfare reform act, all of the stuff that are hurting black people and they are praising the democratic party and bill clinton. >> why do they like him? >> because he goes to a church and clabs -- claps on beat. he plays the sax. he plays to the low black culture. >> are you saying they are dis-- discerning in their opinion? >> with bill clinton they consumed the beverage. i won't say cool aide because that would be racist. >> the final is president obama's economic team. >> i thought you would go babe ruth. >> no because babe ruth -- >> i forgot, we said elvis. >> why is -- well that is an icon. so is babe ruth. why is president obama's economic team over rated in the face of gite -- geitner. >> i think we came up with an exspeak station he would -- expectation he would come up with a new vision and obama is following the -- it is not communist. i just wanted a progressive one. i wanted him to bow at the feet of wall street. because the obama administration has not seized private property you think they are over rated? >> no, i am exposing you tonight. >> oh please. so we agree on justin bie

party? >> that was the point behind the use of the welfare act. not only did he lie about what obama did but right now the old fashioned program that helps poor women and children is .07% of the federal budget. the caseload is down 50% in 15 years and we destroyed that program. we can debate all day. we destroy the program but they decided to resurrect welfare. again, the dog whistle and again saying that we are the ones looking out for you, the taxpayer and the rest of their message with this 47% thing about a quarter of those are seniors who again worked in order to now have their benefits. that isn't going to sit well with the people he was trying to turn out weeks ago. >> the republican party does of the generation of non-white up-and-coming like marco rubio in florida and ted cruce and texas and bobby jindal and louisianan who were all very conservative. it's been a a very impressive african-american woman from utah. estimate ultraconservative. >> does that help them at least present some image of a bigger tent as they move forward or the app

the more mitt romney makes statements about the welfare the just the stream of lies. he feed his partymeat, you know. i see black people down here really ready to go to the polls and avenge that. >> aren't you nervous, i don't know how nervous you might be. don't you think because mitt romney has got to fix this, he's going to go out and try to throw big punches sort of like a batter swinging at every pitch that comes and knock himself out with wild swings? >> not really. he is going to do his etch-a-sketch moment and do that big change around to turn toward the center. ever since he's been running especially this year, he has been running for his base and he has yet to turn to give the people in the middle even an inkling that he wants to be their president too so just like sarah palin made the mistake of always calling him the -- he's running with terrorists and disrespecting the president, he's going to pay the price for that. >> all right. >> in the election this year. >> we'll see how that goes tonight. keep watching. keep watching bill. i've already heard you are a frequent calle

welfare reform, and job creation. it described how i worked with leaders in the other party to get these good results for the people. the article also described tim's term as governor, bad economy, and his decision, his choice to spend the fourth year as governor serving as national party chairman rather than focusing on the dire economic crisis in virginia. it's really the great unanswered question in this campaign. how does a governor decide to take on a second job that sends him all over the country giving partisan speeches while over 100,000 jobs are lost here in virginia? if tim had given his governorship the full attention, he might have avoided some mistakes like increasing college tuition by over 30% or closing rest areas. if tim had been listening to the people of virginia who are really facing tough times, he might not have proposed raising taxes on working people, working women, seniors and small business owners, as well as people earning as little as 17b$,000 a year, and he might have been against the sequestration deal that is threatening over 200,000 jobs in virginia right now. but he made different ch

governors with major improvements in public education, safety, welfare reform, and i described how worked with leaders in the other party to get results for the people. the bad economy, his decision, his choice serving as national party chairman rather than focusing on the economic crisis in virginia. it is the great, and answer a question in this campaign. how does a governor decide to take on a second job, giving partisan speeches, well over 100,000 jobs are lost here in virginia. if he had given his governorship the full attention, he might have avoided some mistakes like increase in college tuition by over 40%. if he had been listening to the people of virginia who are really facing tough times, he might not have proposed raising taxes on working people, working women, seniors, small business owners, and people earning $17,000. he might tip been against the sequestration deal threatening jobs in virginia right now. but he made different choices. soon, you'll get to choose. if i have the honor of being your senator, i will give all my energy to working with both parties and getting america us sending once again. >> l

i'm not -- welfare person -- >> stephanie: what i wonder is -- mitt romney is somebody nobody likes. republican party >> but they fall in line. conservatives always fall in line. >> stephanie: right. is there just that much obama derangement syndrome out there? do they really hate -- it doesn't seem like anybody is voting for romney. >> caller: but they're inundated with the lies of fox newses and the fact that the respectable news organizations don't -- you know in no way disprove what fox says. they might report it as some are saying. >> stephanie: even rush limbaugh -- a lot of people -- obviously a lot of our winners know he lost the debate. because he doesn't stand for anything. he threw them under the bus and all of the neocons. they don't like him. >> he's like one of the villains that at the end of the movie, he shoots his own henchman to buy himself time to get out the back door. >> stephanie: right back. rick overton live in studio on "the stephanie miller show." where you don't back down from a challenge. this is the age of knowing how to make things happen. so, why let erectile dysfunctio

george osbourne, the uk chancellor is speaking at the conservative party conference expecting him to confirm another $10 billion in welfarethe key someone spain, 5.65% so yields are slightly lower once again as those yields stay at those levels the spanish government will say it's a fairly manageable situation at the moment so they will keep probably delaying having to ask for a bailout trying to get beyond a referendum in catalouna, a big region in spain. back to you guys. >> ross, last week when the spanish finance minister said that in front of a bunch of people they laughed at him? >> he was up the road, the london school of economics basically said we don't need a bailout and in spain when they talk about bailouts, there are different sorts. i think when he says we don't need that kind of bailout he's talking about the sort of bailout program you got in portugal and ireland and greece which is big condition heavy troika coming in. even if they asked for assistance they're asking not to have a bailout like that. >> we don't node one with conditions, right? >> and we don't need one with inspection teams. >> skyfall, ro

parties. women elected officials are more likely to the for health education, welfare, military spending, so on. we see that gender gap. to see ae likely positive role for the services that the government. there are experiential differences. we need both men and women. otherwise we may not have all the alternatives. what we need to think about is what political candidacies might be born in this room? who would like to run for a county office, school board office, congress, it's us, not someone else. [applause] >> i want to thank every one of the for coming today and helping us celebrate. i want to particularly thank gloria steinem and eleanor smeal. [applause] bonnie gordon bell, eleanor clift, carol dinkins and lisa matthews for joining us today on the dice. thank you and join the ms. community and on to the next half of this century. [applause] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] >> followed with it again later on the c-span network and you will also find it in the video library at c-span.org. later tonight, watch an

are uniting politically with conservatives nowadays when the tea party because they have a common enemy. and in opposition to the welfare state. it is constantly in frigid on one person's liberty to give help to another group. the enemy of my enemy is my friend. [applause] >> all you people out there and people in this building, a long- time washington journalists that when the headliner award. he is a scholar at the brookings institution and a contributing editor for national journal and the atlantic. he has written several books. i wonder how many of you have had the experience i have had with this particular book as the person that you feel to be conservative. i am for gay marriage for the reason that john rolfe puts out on his book, a world where people's minds don't often change, i have remarked of this particular book has had a surprising effect on people that i have come across. he has also written other books including a revised version of an earlier book about why washington has sought work in. in a new attacks on free thought. you also know him from his position on social studies in the national journal. which

welfare, right? is supposed be hoping security at large. at a specific group, not a political party on either side of the aisle. but you've got these groups that are not even required to get recognized by the irs before they start operating. so what you have had since citizens united are these pop-up groups. they come along, they call themselves something like commissioner hope, growth and opportunity. that is one name. on the other hand, you've got citizens for strengthen security action fund which is a liberal group, right? these groups will come along, although the commission of hope growth and opportunity apply to the irs, on the left side of the aisle on liberal groups often won't apply to the irs at all. they will spend through the election and then they will fold. they will fold right after the election and their tax returns are due, say a year or so after the election at the very earliest and you don't have a sense of what they were doing and tell them. the irs has allowed these groups to operate, allow them to basically say to the irs, nomad, we're not going to spend any mo

governors with major improvements in public education, safety, welfare reform, and i described how worked with leaders in the other party to get results for the people. the bad economy, his decision, his choice serving as national party chairman rather than focusing on the economic crisis in virginia. it is the great, and answer a question in this campaign. how does a governor decide to take on a second job, giving partisan speeches, well over 100,000 jobs are lost here in virginia. if he had given his governorship the full attention, he might have avoided some mistakes like increase in college tuition by over 40%. if he had been listening to the people of virginia who are really facing tough times, he might not have proposed raising taxes on working people, working women, seniors, small business owners, and people earning $17,000. he might tip been against the sequestration deal threatening jobs in virginia right now. but he made different choices. soon, you'll get to choose. if i have the honor of being your senator, i will give all my energy to working with both parties and getting america us sending once again. >> l

party supported civil rights. when you define liberal and conservative, people support medicare with all their hearts and they do like this stuff, they like that we have a mixed capitalism with some social welfare soften it and that makes them practical people and makes them liberal in a sense of functionality but not, i'm a liberal. your thoughts? >> you know, i agree. chris, two things have happened over the course of the last 20, 30 years. you have this slow turning away from the ideas of the new deal, at least from other people. the notions that these are handouts when it applies to other people, just by default, any democratic that gets elected, it was illegitimate. and then clinton comes along, he's illegit. you had it with kennedy. dead people in chicago really elected him. then clinton came along. he did win. i would think there was this notion that bill clinton was inherently illegitimate and nothing too extreme to dislodge him from the white house because he was de-facto illegitimate. and i think with barack obama, this notion that this could not have happened. this was a nightmare inflicted on us by a.c.o.r.n. >> you are so funny. you have the cartoon sense, the way they look at this

party because they have a common enemy. they are united by a devotion to economic liberty and in particular an opposition to the welfare state for very different reasons, i believe. libertarians hate the welfare state because it is constantly infringing on one person liberty to help another group. libertarians hate the welfare state. i think even the reason for hating the welfare state is different but the proverb says, the enemy by enemy my friend. that's it. thank you. [applause] >> it's hard to not sit here and hear that all of you people out there and this people in this building, that's all about you. second renown public intellectual today is joshua. he's a guest of scholar at brookings institution. he's written several books including gay marriage, why it's good for gays, good for straights and good for america. many of you had the experience i had with this particular book. people's minds don't often change. i remarked this particular book had surprising effect on people that i've come across. he's also written other books, including book on governments ends, which is a revised book about an earlier version. for many

their primary purpose is supposed to be social welfare, they are supposed to be helping the community. not a specific group of people, not a political party. but rep got these groups out there that are not even required to get recognized by the i.r.s. before the start operating. what you have since citizens united for these pop up groups. they come along, they call themselves something white the commission of hope growth and opportunity -- something like the commission of hope, growth and opportunity. comehese groups will, alon along. liberal groups will often not apply to the irs of well. there will give money and then they will fold after the election. and their tax returns are due about one year after the election at the earliest. and you cannot have a sense of what they are doing it till then. they allow them to operate and basically say to the irs, and though, we are not produced any money on politics whatsoever. and they spend even money on the same day there mammon of their application to the irs saying we are not going to do any politics whatsoever. that is a discussion we need to have. not crypts if you have like the naacp that b

. >> in light of the new welfare reform bill, do you think the children need more pairs than ever before quarks >> as long as the republican partyconvention. >> is a hard holding your own views? >> in terms of my political views, i hold the check. i don't think this fellow in who watches to think i am one way or the other. [laughter] >> okay, kind of gets you right here. for our third finalist, we decided we need somebody who was perky. christianity, poor is not perky. diane sawyer is not perky. andrea mitchell might have been perky 30, 40, 50 years ago. katie couric is perky. not to be very honest here, i really didn't think perky katie stood a chance until i watched some of the videos you are about to see. i can assure you, she is well qualified to serve as the worst reporter in the history of man and/or woman. ♪ >> president carter, you are now considered one of the world's foremost statesman. you cause the ex-president this country has ever had. your reputation is then faltered tremendously since he left office. how does that make you feel? >> do you think the american people are not ready for a woman, who is as accomplished

the welfare reform mindset has not been applied with equal vigor across the spectrum of our anti-party programs. in most of these programs, especially recently, we still try to measure compassion by how much of the government spends, not by how many people we help escape from poverty. just last year, total spending came in to more than $1 trillion. how much of that is practical? for that amount of money, you could give every pore american a check for $22,000. instead, we spend all of that money attempting to fight poverty through government programs and what do we have to show for it? today, 46 million people are living in poverty. that is one in six americans. it's the highest poverty rate in a generation. during the last four years, the number of people living on food stamps has gone up 15 million. medicaid is reaching a breaking point. one in four american students fails to obtain a high-school diploma. in our major cities, half of our kids don't graduate. half. in this war on poverty, poverty is winning. we deserve better. we deserve a clear choice for a brighter future. what is th

party rebelled against it, but nonetheless, it passed with bipartisan support. the americans with disabilities act and other environmental legislation as well. then we get under clinton, we get welfare reform in 1996 and bush does both the tax bill and no child left it behind with genuine bipartisan support. there is the usual partisan fighting, but then every years there is a pretty big legislative achievement. the tax i became extremely partisan after 2003, and bush tried to be fair. it fell apart partly because of the revolt within his party. the democrats were not willing to give the republicans a victory. obama comes then, i don't the was inevitable. there were so demoralized and 2009. maybe you can explain this, but they went with a partisan stimulus bill. the idea that you could not have gotten a ton of republican votes, it would have been ludicrous. i would have supported some version of that in early 2009. i would make you guys vote in the house on cap and trade. i do support a version of dodd- frank. i would be for breaking up the big banks instead of dodd-frank. republicans have a problem in not explain what they would do on that. whoever is to blame, the obama administra

welfare. they're supposed to help the community at large. not a specific group of people, not a political party on either side of the aisle. but she's got groups out there not even required to get recognized by the irs before they start operating. so when she's had are these pop-up groups. they come along, call themselves something like commission on hope growth and opportunity. on the other hand, you've got citizens for strength of dirty action fund, which is a liberal group on the right? these groups come along, although the commission hope, growth and opportunity did apply to the irs on the left side immobile groups often when applied to the irs at all. they start spending money, spent through the election and then they will fold right after the election in their tax returns are due say a year or so after the election at the very earliest. you don't have a sense of what they were doing until then and the irs has allowed these groups to operate, allow them to basically say, no, we are not going to spend money in politics whatsoever and turn around and in some cases even spend money the same d