you should know i have my own history, both as a wellesley graduate and a harvard phd. little did i know in fall 1962 when i first applied to harvard graduate school in history that i was stepping on new ground. when i didn't get accepted, i knew i had been discriminated against, and in spring 1963 went in to protest my rejection to dean kirby miller, the recently displaced dean of radcliffe graduate school who was trying to act then as the advocate for women. she looked at my record and told me i was right. i clearly had been discriminated against. she then informed me that she would not take my case. why, i ask? because she had lost two better ones in the last week. i did not know then the full meaning of what she was probably trying to tell me. now that she no longer had control over or voice in graduate admissions, harvard was free to discriminate against women. in the year following, i was instructed by a member of the history faculty at harvard not to apply in history but in american civilization because it did not discriminate. minor accommodation. so if one step

mean, i was horrified to learn how late real financial aid started at smith, and i knew that at wellesley the founder had always wanted to help the calico girls as opposed to the silk girls get an education. so the financial aid had been more possible. it's a -- you know, that is a rich and complicated issue, and financial aid is really at its core, and also the outcome, the outcome. education, i mean. sim mobs i've always valued because of the -- i think of it more actually for graduate students now because of the smith students who want to come to the library school, but simmons always had a practical outcome in mind, that these women would go out and work, and so that's a very important element. how -- how are the liberal arts understood as leading to the world of work and there could be connections made. so it's a complicated negotiation that goes on, and -- and it certainly is a lot better now than it used to be. that's something we can fully say at all of our private institutions now because of the resources of the scholarship and the burden of loans. >> hi. nancy chattereau from th

. >> rose: you then go eventually to wellesley. >> yeah. >> rose: when are you at wellesley you're writing letters back to your mother. >> uh-huh. >> rose: and these letters become part of one of the plays that she wrote. >> that they wrote. >> rose: they wrote, henry and feebee. >> they wrote a play called take her, she's mine. >> rose: and what did that do to you and what did you think about that? >> well, you see, it was a play about a southern california's family worst daughter goes to an eastern women's college, at the time they were called girl's colleges. >> rose: yes, they were. and no men were allowed. >> and it was-- it was, frankly, a big nothing because-- . >> rose: it didn't bother you. >> no because we had grown-up with all this stuff. we had grown-up with my mother saying everything is copy, you know. my sister delia got her head stuck between the banister railings at our house when she was about 7 years old. and the police had to come and cut the wrote iron and get her out of it. and a year later natalie wood who was about, well i guess she was a couple years older had the

the uri, you didn't go to uri, though, you went to wellesley. and then you went on from there to where? >> oxford. university. >> how many years were you there? >> one. >> what did you study? >> theology. >> then where did you go? >> i went to new jersey. >> and what did you study there? >> at princeton i studied the origins and history of ancient christianity. >> you taught in a number of institutions. would you list those for us? >> i taught at princeton briefly, i taught at u.c. berkeley, university of pittsburgh, for a year i was at the hebrew university at jerusalem and currently at boston unive >> you have? >> yes, indeed. >> i got my degree in '79. >> you're the professor of the appreciation of scripture, you've been doing that for what? >> since '90. >> for nine years. three books to your credit? >> that's true. >> i notice that you retreated from some of your statements from your first book, "jesus of nazareth, king of the jews." what changed in the 11 years between the publication of these two books. >> my first book was "from jesus to

there's a certain -- what i sense is a certain lack of assertion that i found, for example, at wellesley or at smith, mt. holyoke, about the power of women's presence and the value placed on those female faculty members that were teaching them, as well as the men. >> well, i just want to add an anecdotal thing which is when i arrived here i came by myself from kansas city, missouri, and i took a cab from the airport and the cab driver couldn't find radcliffe. >> that's a wonderful story. it was invisible then. >> i'm gabriela schlesinger, radcliffe college. i'm asking my question with a particular perspective because for the last almost 19 years i've been working with a group of the alumni called the committee for the equality of women at harvard, largely concerned about the lack of tenured women faculty which is now only 23% of the faculty of arts and sciences. i wonder whether you think that the alumni can be marshalled in any effective way to produce more effective change among departments which may be particularly stagnant or reluctant to tenure women? i kind of think i shouldn't int

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