organizing around the parity act and making sure that substance abuse was included in the language and the wellstone... substance abuse? yes, because it was the wellstone mental health parity act, so...substance abuse? am i hearing, substance abuse? yes ma'am, yes ma'am, yes ma'am. and, and you know daphne has, has quoted bill white quite a bit and, and he's truly prolific writer and agree with the title that folks had given him, the dean of recovery. but he was saying that three ways to deal with social stigma, stigmatations stigma, stigma if you will. one is to protest stigma and discrimination are illegal and you need to protest, protest that and bring it to the forefront and hold the folks that are doing it, accountable. but there also is an educational component he talks about. and then there's a contact component. and this this is not new. i got this from a 2009 paper that he did with arthur evans. and so i think you had suggested it, we need a multi-prong approach where stigma is alive and well and where folks are comfortable with that, we need to hold them accountable. but we need to do some education as well, within the field as well as outside the field. a