with false woods and based on theory no one knows this better than former insurance executive wendell potter he's the author of deadly spin and nation on the take founder of tarbell dot org they examined how money and politics affect americans mr potter great to have you with us tonight first of all your thoughts on the c b o numbers i just said i'm ill as you heard they've shown their cards across the board on where they want to go it's the cuts isn't it it's the cuts would cut the medicaid program by almost three quarters of a trillion dollars over ten years so it is really decimates that program so many people low income people would lose their coverage and cause the quiney their access to care it's it would be a devastating blow to low income and modern income people is we're not talking about just just the poorest we're talking about anybody frankly and who's not quite well to do you know the basic question here where's the improvement i mean the republicans are going to have to go home and explain to constituents how this is better and when you have these kind of cuts you just don't it

joining me wendell potter, former health insurance executive and founder of tar belt.org.t know what's in the bill, not allowed. just based on the house bill how hopeful are you the ahca out of the senate will be compassionate and kind as donald trump claims. >> no hope imaginable. i can't imagine they will come up with anything approaching what the president said. here is why. i think the republicans, and one of the reasons why they are doing this in secret, they know they cannot deliver anything approaching that with what they have been saying and principles guiding discussions or comments on how to fashion a health care system in this country. they clearly want to cut benefits. that will undoubtedly lead to a lot of people losing access to care and consequently, joy, their lives. >> doctor, one of the things we do know from the house bill that doesn't seem to be changing in senate, they want to roll bk medicaid expansion. whether they want to do it more slowly or quickly, that seems to be the core of what they want to do, they want that $800 billion to put towards tax c