host: i want to show you earlier this year the brookings institution, wendy atul berg joined us and she talked about the rise in last year's poverty rate and the expiration of federal pandemic era relief programs. i will show it and get your response. [video clip] >> sadly this increase was not surprising. let us review how we got here. as a pandemic hit i was enormously concerned about what would happen to poverty rates in poverty rates for children, more particularly. as it turns out we ran a very successful experiment in this country. we put in place really significant fiscal policies that temporarily reduce poverty rates. even in the midst of a pandemic. unfortunately those policies were temporary. and so now we have erased all of the gains we have made in 2020 and 2021. and now poverty rates are back to where they were before the pandemic. [end video clip] host: what do you think of that? guest: i-8 think we did not really reduce the poverty rates. we did prove that if you give people money they have more money. as long as you keep giving them more money they will have more money.

host: i want to show you earlier this year the brookings institution, wendy atul berg joined us and shealked about the rise in last year's poverty rate and the expiration of federal pandemic era relief programs. i will show it and get your response. [video clip] >> sadly this increase was not surprising. let us review how we got here. as a pandemic hit i was enormously concerned about what would happen to poverty rates in poverty rates for children, more particularly. as it turns out we ran a very successful experiment in this country. we put in place really significant fiscal policies that temporarily reduce poverty rates. even in the midst of a pandemic. unfortunately those policies were temporary. and so now we have erased all of the gains we have made in 2020 and 2021. and now poverty rates are back to where they were before the pandemic. [end video clip] host: what do you think of that? guest: i-8 think we did not really reduce the poverty rates. we did prove that if you give people money they have more money. as long as you keep giving them more money they will have more money. bu

host: i want to show you earlier this year the brookings institution, wendy atul berg joined us and shed about the rise in last year's poverty rate and the expiration of federal pandemic era relief programs. i will show it and get your response. [video clip] >> sadly this increase was not surprising. let us review how we got here. as a pandemic hit i was enormously concerned about what would happen to poverty rates in poverty rates for children, more particularly. as it turns out we ran a very successful experiment in this country. we put in place really significant fiscal policies that temporarily reduce poverty rates. even in the midst of a pandemic. unfortunately those policies were temporary. and so now we have erased all of the gains we have made in 2020 and 2021. and now poverty rates are back to where they were before the pandemic. [end video clip] host: what do you think of that? guest: i-8 think we did not really reduce the poverty rates. we did prove that if you give people money they have more money. as long as you keep giving them more money they will have more money. but we