discussion as part of our trade negotiations we discussed this story with the cultural historian wendy earle and also with my once our political and social commentator. you can't go around the world nicking stuff and then just saying we're going to keep hold of it because it's really valuable and we want people to come and see it it just is awash now adays in a i hate saying it but in a relatively woken like in society people are asking for their stuff back and it's very hard to construct a case when we go around the world stealing stuff and don't get back i think history itself is a very complicated place to go history is complex we do very well in britain threat education system and so our western media missed telling and misstating it we we don't half pick and choose what and how we tell history i mean we can say that the item and this is the worst of it so stewardship of the times in me we should be trying to we should be trying to have a discussion about this rather than you trying to interrupt me and the point i know it's a case not only do i know he believes there is a history what we

who know all about this wendy earle she's a cultural historian and also my once our political and social commentator you're both very welcome wendy let's start with you why do you think it's important the u.k. keeps these models i understand that's your position but don't you fear that with these trade negotiations they could be returned. yes i do fear that they could be returned and i fear. these wonderful works of art could be turned into a kind of political bargaining chip and that would be disastrous because where they are at the moment well you know in a way the parting of marbles the shared between britain and greece in athens and london and i think the good thing about that is that you've basically got these treasures that have global significance are really sort of important to our understanding of the history of the world and particularly history of art and they can be both cared for well in both those places and they can be seen by millions and millions of people in both those places and they also reflect the history of those models themselves the fact that you know they they s