congress and their staff with those actual recommendations we been doing it for about four years and wendy robinson and those from the national security institute. >> going to arlington good morning. >> can you hear me. >> my comment is from the geopolitical perspective want the audience and your guest to talk about the idea of hacking that if someone hacks our infrastructure to create cybernetworks but in reality that could be a geopolitical purpose to say we don't want america to work with country xyz. so coming up with a lot of energy that this happened from russia i would like your guest to talk to that idea it seems to come from russia and i don't wean just big countries like china and then to influence so if you could speak to that. >> that's a great point we see cyberattacks and hacks this element of national power that's right to point out russia china is the biggest player and what you might see what the chinese are the iranians what is interesting about that type of effort it is hard and then to say we have done the work we have figured out it is the russians. so you can take it to the ba