if you look at north korea for instance wendy sherman who is leading the iran negotiations, wendy shermanby the north koreans more times than we can go into on this program and yet she was rewarded after failing during the clinton administration on north korea she was awarded with the iran portfolio she's leading our negotiations. john: this is just a reflection of not only ideology but also reflection of never having run anything. to another example you learn in your first year in business as a young kid, i did anyway you never give anything without getting something. we keep giving and getting nothing. cuba was the latest example. >> you hit it on the head. president obama has been in the law school classroom he has been talking about the theory of where the world should be aware situation should look like, he hasn't actually done it. president obama views the world especially through negotiation as how he wants the world to be not how the world really truly is. in negotiations from a position of strength because he looked across the table and trusts these other people despite fact, des

i think wendy sherman captured it best in september when she said we must be confident that any effort to break out of obligations will be so visible and time consuming that the intent would have no chance of success. if you say what does that mean in terms of things like centrifuge program then you come up to the concept of breakout. breakout essentially allows you to convert a desired reaction time into the number of centrifuges and involves fairly sophisticated mathematical modeling in order to try to be more realistic and end up with numbers if you want reaction times of 6 to 12 months you end up with numbers that you want to get to the 2,000 to 4,000. those are driven by limiting the stocks particularly of 20%. again, it's still there. it's quite a large stock. people you converted from hexphoric form to oxide form. it's still there. there has been some amount blended down and that's gone. more than enough for a bomb if you think of netanyahu's way of thinking about this. that amount still is there. it is just in oxide form. therefore it takes longer and that's good. you would hav

the third area has been one for my colleague wendy sherman, and that is the so-called p5+1 talks. they continue to help to move that agenda forward. it is an interesting mixed picture, i would say, people of asked me why i continue to be optimistic despite the negative trend lines. part of it is associated with this businesslike attitude that i have seen when the russians have clearly decided it is international security interest to continue to cooperate. >> let me ask a second question. you mentioned the russian violation of the inf treaty. shortly after the formal judgment was announced publicly, the russian said, well, we have three concerns in terms of the use of drones, targeted missiles. a question about the vertical lunchbox plan for the deployments in romania and poland. how do respond to those charges? >> first and foremost, with a clear statement that the united states remains fully in compliance with the inf treaty and furthermore, i talked about the very careful compliance assessment process we carry out, the defense department has the lead for those assessments, but n

to the rather astonishing fact that the obama administration has recruited the very same person wendy sherman, who led the failed north korea negotiations under the clinton administration to come in and be the lead negotiator with iran to repeat the same mistakes. and with respect to iran i think we can expect the same outcome if we continue on this path but we can also, the stakes are qualitatively high. with north korea kim jong-il and kim jong-un they are radical. they are extreme but they are fundamentally megalomaniacal narcissists, both father and son which means some degree of rational deterrence as possible. both father and son understood if they ever actually used a nuclear weapon that day their regime would end. the danger with iran is when you have leaders that are animated by religious extremism by an embrace of a fanaticism that welcomes death and glorifies suicide, the ordinary cost-benefit analysis of deterrence doesn't play out the same way. .. the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism using its nuclear power to increase that role, and that, bill, is the is the bank got s

to the rather astonishing fact that the obama administration has recruited the very same person wendy sherman who led the failed north korea negotiations under the clinton administration to come in and be the lead negotiator with iran to repeat the same mistakes. and with respect to iran, i think we can expect the same outcome if we continue on this path. but we can also the stakes are qualitatively higher. with north korea, kim jong-il, kim jong-un, they're radical, they're extreme, but they're fundamentally narcissists, both father and son. which means, some degree of rational deterrence is possible. both father and son understood if they ever actually used a nuclear weapon, that day their regime would end. the danger with iran, is when you have leaders that are animated by religious extremism, by an embrace of a fanaticism that welcomes death and glorifies suicide, the ordinary cost benefit analysis of deterrence doesn't play out the same way. and in my view, the odds are unacceptably high. if iran ever acquired a nuclear weapon, that it would use that nuclear weapon either in the skies of