i have wendy sherman, and eliana johnson for politico. i want to and you, i know our reporting that handles and i have been working on. what are you pursuing at politico on this? because as senator markee said, this has taken the whole issue of russia into an entirely new category. >> that's absolutely right. i've been sitting in this chair the whole time so i haven't been able to look at what my colleagues are doing. i would put these stories into two different categories. one, the "new york times" story. anybody who followed trump on the campaign would be shocked to know that he said something endiscreet to the russian ambassador and the russian foreign minister in the oval office. so doing it in the oval office takes it to a new level. if bob mueller's investigation shows there was collusion between trump associates and russia, and that one of those associates is in the white house, that really could spell the end of the trump presidency. that story resides in a different category and is extremely significant. i don't think we can emph

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i have wendy sherman, former undersecretary of state and michael allen who advised president george wush on the national security council. good to see you. >> good to see you, too, brooke. >> wendy, let's talk about expectations. you said president trump will have to listen well and pay attention to the nonverbal cues. why do you say that? >> because the attention has a shorter attention span than he might like and when he meets with the gulf coordinating council in riyad but also presidents and heads of state from all of the muslim nations, lots of coalition member who is are helping in syria and in yemen in the fight against counterterrorism, he actually has to listen and sometimes it's a long process and the expectations for this president are incredibly low. i think everybody will have a great sigh of relief. he's the president of the united states. we have serious national security issues in every one of these stops and he has to really rise up to the occasion. >> point taken. here's some context. and michael, you know this. this is a president who, especially during the campaign