was flying. >> we're only human. >> joining us again, psychologist tartt, and from los angeles, wendy walshendy, we'll start with you. what do you make of this whole scene? >> did i mention earlier that as a species we're becoming more peaceful and less violent? well, in order for that to take place, you have to actually socialize out violent behavior. every two-year-old starts by hitting and every mother says, no, no, we don't hit. but in plenty of families, this anger management, if you will, is not socialized in people. so when they're feeling fight or flight, when they're having a fear response, violence will come out and aggression will come out of them before an ability to negotiate with words, apparently. >> what triggers the others to get involved? you're watching a fight and all of a sudden i'm involved because i'm so angry as well. >> it depends on the aggressive script. if someone disrespects me, i'm going to jump into it, say this or say that. it depends on your mood, how you're dressed, whether you feel one person is the victim. but i thought that pedicures would be messed up b

wendy walsh. you and i have been talking about this since this broke and when you and i were on the air. help us understand how this alleged victim could think that sandusky could go free after seeing an interview that many say made sandusky look even worse? >> well, what we're seeing here, don, is the actual injury of child molestation, which is a big psychological injury. the physical injuries, they're one thing. but the psychological injury is a deep wound that can go on forever, where one feels disempowered, where one feels like a victim, where one may have sex issue, anxiety issues, trust issues, all related to this act. of course they're not going to trust this guy is going to be believed. >> let's listen to one more thing from jerry sandusky. >> are you a pedophile? >> no. >> are you sexually attracted to young boys, to underage boys? >> am i sexually attracted to underage boys? >> yes. >> sexually attracted -- i enjoy young people. i love to be around them. but, no, i'm not sexually attrac

i have wendy walsh to listen to parts of the audiotape we'll play for you now.all courtesy of espn, the recording. the network received it in 2003 but waited eight years to release it because they wanted corroboration. espn says they got that when a second accuser, davis' step brother, mike lang recently came forward as well. the first part we're going to play for you is laurie fine seeming to suggest that she not only knew her husband was abuse davis but allowed it to go on. take a listen. >> i know everything that went on. you know, i know everything that went on with him. bernie has issues, maybe not that he's aware of but he has issues. and you trusted somebody you shouldn't have trusted. bernie is also in denial. i think that he did the things he did, but he's somehow through his mental telepathy has erased it out of his mind. >> at one point davis asked for bernie fine for a couple thousand dollars which he claimed was for student loans. now she pressed for what he wanted in exchange for that cash. >> what did he want you to do? you can be honest with me.

wendy walsh and psychologist and relationship expert aldoin tart. >> it's the principle of scarcity whichant what we can't have. when we have limited supplies and we create the demand, people get in competition for what they want and need and think that other people are the competition. >> wendy, what do you think? >> well, i think i would add to what dr. tartte and said there's political reasons in a more socialist country, people are conditioned to line up politely and wait their turn. america is about individual rights and freedoms and that means the right to be first in line. on top of that, we're talking about a bad economy where people are hurting. but it doesn't mean we're not still consumers and we want to consume, consume. because of this dissonance, people can get a little frantic. >> but adoan, do you think that people have a plan they think they're going to get x, yz and they realize they're not the only ones there and start to panic. >> absolutely. when we get there and see people in our way, we try and eliminate them. in an economy that's in recession, we feel like we need t

tart and have wendy walsh. i want you to listen to this clip from "good morning america."other of victim one. victim number one, as he's known, grand jury report speaks about the grip that jerry sandusky, former penn state defensive coordinator, had on her child. okay. we will get -- here it is. okay. >> i want justice. i want him -- i want him to be locked up. there's no -- there's no help for somebody that does this. not like this. there's -- he needs to be put away. he needs to be put away for a long time. >> help us understand why is it so hard for boys to reveal their abuse? i know the answer to this question but why do you -- in your estimation? >> one, first of all, then document realize this is abuse. it is taught that manipulator that this is love. this is how we show affection to one another. they don't want to turn on someone they love. that's why -- manipulate it. number two, when they realize the abuse they feel ashamed and don't want to be seen as homosexual or gay or liking it. they don't want to be seem weak. there are threats made that i will humiliate and

wendy walsh and dr. tartt are back. we were talking over the break, i like the conversation we had. catholic school. almost every day i got either spanked or paddled or other people got spanked or paddled publicly in front of everyone. the nones would peel your hand back with a pointer or -- >> that's terrible. >> they did it, though. >> but you know what? we didn't have all the disciplinary problems that we had in school. you talk to teachers and ask them if they want to bring corporal punishment back and they're going to say, absolutely. >> no different for the girls. >> but, yes, we've removed some violence from our culture but what we haven't done is replaced it with good behavior modifications that involve logical consequences that we need. and it's just as traumatic -- i told you on the break, too, while i wasn't strapped in school, i witnessed it in front of the class. that was traumatic for me. when i look at this judge's video, nobody's talked about the fact that early on in that video, there's a young, unclothed daughter who comes in and out of frame. she looks to be about