and wendy walsh. wendy and dean, let me say, wendy, you were in beauty pageants.his is my sort of -- this is mi sort of male neanderthal -- beauty pageants isn't a right. who would want to enter a beauty pageant anyway. i want to see a transgender secretary of state not in a beauty pangn't. is that a buy yos on my part? >> of course it is. anybody can be what they want to be, don. we have to look at what our definition of gender is. there aren't just two genders. we talk about this all the time. it's a big, wide scale. where do we draw the line. >> don't get me wrong. i'm not saying that she -- i believe in transgender rights. what i'm saying is, some people find these beauty pageants superficial. there were people in the room who said, are these beauty pageants, do they do this anymore. i know you take offense to that. >> absolutely, i would take offense to this. this is a job opportunity. you're working for donald trump. and you have international exposure. these girls are not stupid. there's all types of stereotypes. but we're hard-working girls. >> school me.

wendy walsh. dr. wendy, hello. first off -- >> hi. >> you met mary kennedy and bobby kennedy jr.ccasions. what was she like? >> you know, i have done a little bit of work with his amazing foundation, the water keeper's alliance, and my condolences first of all, go out to the family because this is tragic across the board. mary was a loving, sweet, kind woman who actually went out of her way to seek me out at charity events to thank me for my small contributions at hosting these events. the real message in here is that the trauma of divorce can affect anybody. and money is not going to help you, fame is not going to help you. sometimes that is hurt even. and the tragedy here is of course the loss to four children, her husband, and indeed, a community. >> yeah, it's odd when you're in that position of knowing somebody, especially to that degree of fame and has that caliber of influence. and because they realize the power of just, i don't know, speech and the power of one person doing something rather than big campaigns. it's not odd, you would think, to seek you out to do that, bec

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wendy walsh, human behavior expert in loss, career counselors, one of the most important tools for peopleut of work is their team, friends or family cheering them on. how valuable is that? >> well, not to just cheer them on in an artificial way, but to give them usable connections. the bigger your social network is, whether it's your family and friends in your neighborhood or former work, but also the ones you can meet online. there's very important to get connected and have a lot of people rallying around you. >> for people who are trying to find work, they're struggling now. how is the experience different for men and then for women? >> well, you know, it's hard to generalize by any gender, i hate to do that, but traditionally, jobs have been so associated with men's identities, so part of their depression if they're feeling it after a long-term job search is that they're losing a piece of their identity when they're not working. and you know, we don't often see the same signs of depression in member that we see in women. they're more quiet about it, they may go home and drink a beer. i

that was following the suicides of tyler clemente and seth walsh, whose mother wendy walsh is in our he used that term and i thought this is a great term to describe it. when are you talking about somebody who is bullied to the point where they can't take it anymore, it is not -- you can't look at that as a simple, ordinary suicide this is somebody who was tortured to the point where they saw no other way out. and when you get to that point, i thought the word bullycide so succinctally describes what is going on. >> there needs to be so much education and help for these children. what made you want to make this documentary? why is this such an issue near and dear to you? >> i think part of the comes from the fact that i'm also a licensed science and mind practitioner, and part of our belief is that we create our own lives and in that process, we know that we can change the outcomes of our lives by simply changing what we believe. so we wanted to get this particular message out to change -- the overall conversation around homophobia, and, of course, the manifestation of that, which is

don lemon spoke with psychologist wendy walsh about the approach these researchers took. >> what's differentabout how they did the study. with hundreds of people of both genders with children, without children, they put electronic pagers on them and contacted them five times a day over a 12-hour period for weeks. and asked them how they were feeling. they showed less depressive symptoms, higher rates of happiness and life satisfaction, but the big one, don, they had greater meaning of life. they had a good feeling that their life had meaning. hint, hint. time for you to be a daddy. >> it's called responsibility. you have to do something. your life should have some meaning. you're caring for this life, right? who can't take care of itself. >> yeah. yeah, it makes you think every you do in the day, there are little eyes watching now. it gives you a big sense of responsibility, and that gives some meaning. >> that's why i don't have any. i don't juan themp watching me and imp taitating. this study said it's dads who are more satisfied and happy as parents. why not the moms? i think i know the a