and devin wenig the ceo out. >> this is unbelievable.n we speak to devin, he was, to me -- again, like when alcoa met with elliott, we're much more aligned they always say that to us, david. marathon, we're really aligned david, unless it is aligned like invisalign, i'm taking a harder line. >> a characteristic of many of the activists, particularly the successful ones, they're relentless that's something at&t will want to keep in mind as well. it is not just once. it is -- it goes on and on and here, jim, it seems as though the board was simply unhappy as best i can tell with the performance of the marketplace wasn't about actually -- wasn't actually about moving the process along faster in terms of potential sale that's moving along. it was really about the performance of marketplace and mr. wenig wasn't getting it done there. >> you look at shopify, the comps are hard to find when you look at shopify, when you look at etsy, you know, libra, this company was underperforming. devin wenig, to his credit, said, listen, i'm trying to turn