wenstrup eldridge went around the country talking about the truman marshall plan and helping and aiding the countries that were on the side of the u.s. and so forth. and open trade and free trade. so there was an extensive alignment is people that knew each other and had a similar interest and used each other to expand. >> host: truly fascinating stuff. so, you talk about the scent of a line meant and clearly coming out of the depression, there was this anti-banker you know, look what you just did to us in terms of speculation. you know, working our way into world war ii where there was a sense of collaboration. and you know, now it seems to have come full circle again. so it's this cycle of these ups and downs. you know, are the bankers in your opinion now -- how do they balance that profit motive and incentive versus the national interest? >> guest: that if something interesting to me in the buck and the fact that he's working to pass the banking and reduce the ability of the banks to speculate with depositors funds is interesting to me because he wouldn't assume on the surface that w