weome to t show, congressman. >> thank you. thank you for having me.: i guess a little bit like the monsters have gotten out of handere? >> yes,because when the patriot act was initially drafted, we thought we had drafted the ability to prevent a collection the collection of metadata, which meant that everybody in theu.s. that makes a phone ca, made or received, durng the oversight we didn't have that. the collection of data. once i left and we were doing the oversight anymore, the nsa really got out of control. and then former ielligenceration mmittee chair in the house said what obama has been doing and we have to bring the rein in their spending in. there's no rson why ever innocentmericans on call ough to be picked up by th nsa and then stored for five yrs or maybe even more. charles: did you sense that it had this kind of power? >> a lot of times people put things together and i lso think, okay, we figured it all out. people figure out different interpretations. section 215 of the stock. but could we see any of this coming? >> no, iould not see an