and i had had that experience firsthand watching that first production at wesleyan. so you know, that was the beginning of a conversation that lasted eight years, and figuring out how to use it as another form of storytelling on stage. >> hinojosa: finding a director that you could trust... you said, actually, that when you met your director, you realized that he knew this play, in a way, even better than you did. >> yeah. well, you know, it's interesting. i had... i wrote it and put it up my sophomore year, and then it was in a drawer for two years. and someone gave a copy to tommy kail, some mutual friends, john mailer and neil stewart. >> hinojosa: john mailer being the son of norman mailer. >> yes, and... and so he had two years with this cast album that i'd recorded, and he'd listened to it over and over. and so, you know, he... he said to me, "hi, we've just met but your third song needs to be first." ( laughing ) and luckily, you know, i think any young writer gets very precious about their material, but since it had... i'd had two year's distance on it i was

hinojosa: and then what ends up happening is you go to college; you do, you get away, you go to wesleyan, you come back, you're living at home. >> yeah. >> hinojosa: you were supposed to be far away from the south bronx; you end up coming back home. >> yeah, i only came home, you know, because i was broke, literally. i started graduate school and i had no money; like, my program was that tough. it was english with a concentration in creative writing, and the only place that i could afford was my parent's... an extra bedroom in my parent's house. and i stayed there for two years, like, literally, and all i did was go from my house to the subway. you know, it's like i knew nothing about the neighborhood; i didn't care. and it wasn't until i actually got a part-time job working at a local community development corporation up the street, and just kind of got to know my neighborhood a little bit more. i, like, discovered that there were, like, artists there. there were people who did really cool things, and, like, loved themselves and loved each other, and i was like, "oh, my gosh... this...

service at the beginning of their career put on that demographic so suddenly grow up with you to the wesleyan church public service what would you prioritize? sova would make a change through other means? or with that democratic reforms and then the best to legislate. and then work alongside people. and so i started driving last october and november don't make the money that flows to a charity so people are surprised with their senators shows up to be the driver so culturally with national or community-based so that doesn't astir with the assumption. i have an odd experience i am home every weekend if day tackle cyberissues how many complain about espn and they used to be with a data shared experience but republicans and democrats will tell me that it feels like it has to beat it eco chamber this is the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat. so we need to get together with neighbors and break bread. so they should not endure in the current form but i think of myself functionally as independent review last the people if you don't give them the choice and 46 percent of the public will say n

. >> wesleyan university, those folks wanted to hear from her as well. you are saying it's not helpful to the democrats for her right now, that's what you are saying. >> thanks. >> am i right. >> yes. >> go ahead maria. >> i don't think necessarily that that's true. first of all hillary clinton has earned the right to say whatever the hell she wants at this point, right? >> do you think it's helpful, though? >> she owes nothing to nobody, right? it is clearly helpful to her. this is how she wants to talk about this at this moment. let's remember that she has taken responsibility for every decision that she has made in her campaign. i'm sure we will be reading more about this -- >> she just blamed the democratic party for not having all the data. >> well -- and by the way she's not wrong. not wrong on that. >> that's not taking responsibility. >> yes, well, but we will hear more in her memoir about this. this is leading up to her talking about her memoir which is about to come out. >> i remember during 2016 -- >> here's the point. >> yeah. >> i think that

i went to wesleyan university in connecticut and then went south to duke university for graduate school. my first book on the voting ashts act of 1965 had begun my undergraduate thesis, was published by yale university rest in grad school. my second book on the fbi's pursuit of dr. king came out in 1981 and got a fair amount of attention. that was the lead up to my big biography of dr. king bearing the cross that one a culture in 1987. >> why did it win a pulitzer? >> i think what might i would answer that is that the pulitzer board at this time had a number of people on it who were former civil rights journalists. >> new york times. >> yes, so they were familiar with civil rights historiography and if i can say so, what a significant step forward that book represented compared to earlier work. 1986, civil rights historiography was just starting to gain strength. a whole lot more active field now than it was when i started in 1979.g people >> what did you have in the book that nobody knew before it came out? >> i think with dr. king, the fundamental piece of this was how deep his fate g

and you know, one of the ladies that you just heard from, she actually studies neuroscience now at wesleyanversity in connecticut and then she is applying for uc med school next year so it comes full circle. >> yeah. certainly. the whole camp has -- it's a wide variety of activities there from bug holding to the boat-making. >> they're inspired as you kind of saw. and she was -- that lady i was talking about, she was part of the inaugural class 10 years ago at ucsf science camp. >> got her on the right path. hat's cool about your summer camp? email your nomination to us at coolc amps@kpix.com, and we may feature your camp on the thursday morning show. >>> relief for california drivers who have unpaid parking tickets. starting on saturday, you're no longer at risk for having your license suspended. last week governor brown signed that measure into law. he says suspending licenses for those who can't afford them ends up creating an endless cycle of debt. opponents argued that the threat of losing a license helped the state collect unpaid traffic fines. >>> both good and bad news if you are he