of the west bank and the palestinians in the main town that is to say three percent of the west bank they can have independence bear in mind that the vision of the most moderate element of netanyahu skull ition and he had everybody says or tells hamas what it must do. what about what the is real the government must do and norm these question certainly these questions certainly come at a very interesting time with what we're seeing going on right now what we've seen going on over the last six months with the arab spring israel has found itself through rounded by revolutionaries in the region and there are plenty of concerns i know that you and i have talked about those that israel has but it's interesting too with the role of the u.s. the u.s. has literally found it fell apart between supporting democracy and foreign policy interests there in each country has been in a puff spot and i want to play a story from both of you and then what happened more about it this is our team of color for. most of us is happier than he's been in a long time the political activist used to be a member of

that means all of the west bank, all of gaza and all of east jerusalem. president obama didn't even call for that. what president obama called for was the same thing that president bush called for in 2005 and again in 2008. president bush didn't use the term 1967 border, he used the term the 1949 armistice line which is the same as the 1967 border. and in both cases they said, but with the understanding of what has changed on the ground. for president obama he said, with agreed to land swaps which is code, all of this language is coded, that's code for israel gets to keep the major settlement blocks that include about 80% of the 500,000 settlers and if all of the land is maintained as it is now, with all of the roads separating the settlements from palestinian villages, etc., roads that are available only to israeli settlers, not available to palestinians who live there, up to 40% of the land of the west bank would then be annexed to israel. in complete violation of international law. >> if mutually agreed land swaps are going to be important to any event

the west bank in a kind of free legal way by the palestinian authority. sooner rather than later or they will overtake the west bank and this might be then a problem not only for the palestinians it will be a problem for israel had this is one of the many checkpoints between israel and the palestinian territories as cairo extends a hand to the palestinians and security here is likely to be beefed up in the three months since mubarak was ousted no one's replaced and some believe the americans gave up the old friend to really and to easily and this calculating that his replacement would be a democratic going to be. interests instead it's the generals who continue to the shots and they are playing this man. union egypt want to. run on the one on the other hand they want to establish a new relationship with us we're not so sure about the new government. so ironically while rushing to the thought it was creating a safer middle east its closest ally israel is suffering a recent poll found that fifty four percent of egyptians want to see the egyptian is really p

one is contiguity within the west bank. the idea that there would not be of swiss cheese of settlements that would not the west bank and kate and make it impossible for palestinians to move for -- west bank landscape and make impossible for palestinians to move from the territory in the north to a territory in the south. the other is contiguity between the west bank and gaza. in the context of this speech, since the president already said that the 1967 borders would be the basis of negotiation, by inference, the contiguity statement refers to the connection between the west bank and gaza. this adds another layer of the president articulating a position which involves israel to cede control, if not sovereignty, of territory inside pre-1967 israel. the idea that there is a land bridge between gaza and the west bank is ofourse not new. it is how you do it and under whose control and whether it is a palestinian land bridge in which the israelis have certain rights of hot pursuit, or an israeli land bridge in which the palestini

those in gaza and the west bank are of the mist that -- those in gaza and the west bank are optimistic they will gain independence. >> the west bank city of ramallah is one big construction site. international aid has sparked a building boom and a new government district is to be built by september. but the workers here have only one thing on their minds, the reconciliation deal between hamas and fatah. after four years of intense political rivalry, many are still skeptical. >> reconciliation as a beautiful word, but it does not necessarily mean everyone will be honest with each other. >> reconciliation is the basis for everything. people need to understand each other so we could build a state. >> but the palestinian authority remains cautiously optimistic. the agreement paves the way for national elections next year, but first the sides need to iron out several thorny issues. >> this split has been going on for four years, and reconciliation is going to be an extra process. our problems will not be solved totally by signing the reconciliation, but the signing of it is the beginning of

gosh we don't see jerusalem or the west bank. we don't understand this occupation. gosh the german foundation has seen a shift to the right in the under generation. its survey thousands of jewish arab-israeli is over the last few years. it calls for the all of the above generation. >> that they are for peace on one hand, but not ready to make a real concessions? and they think that the status quo is better than any changes? it is similar in regard to democracy and society. they say they are democrats, but would you rather have a strong leader or the norms of the rule of law, more than 60% said a strong leader is better. >> for the entrepreneur says a difficult situation in the middle east as part of his generation's reality. he recently opened a small restaurant in west jerusalem. as a soldier, the 27-year-old took part in the non. he is fed up with politics. >> nothing really changes. not on the other side. the situation doesn't allow for other ideas to emerge. they hate us and we hate them. all of my friends have experienced war and it is the same on the other sid

and soon we talk about the west bank in the west bank is occupied gaza somehow hold by the israeli army all over our own and israel allow access from the sea all from the. point so when we talk about the borders of israel is that i don't have borders the day is why is all compiling all these areas and people have the right to you know according also to the international agreements israel have responsibility to take care of that if you g.'s and of the people got out of living under the occupation if it's in the west bank or even in the going on when you talk about international recognition or international obligations here as you were saying israel's actions are often the hard line from the gaza blockade for telerate but none of the major players talking about sanctions or even a military intervention why why do you think that is. there is i think the bill standouts in the international community when any. community is acting immediately and i'm happy that the international community for example is acting against the regime when they surely civilians in libya and i think it's important t

and israeli settlements out in west bank, the gaza strip is over here. one of the plans all along has been if you have a continuous palestinian state, would israel give up a strip of land somewhere across here to connect the west bank to the gaza strip? if so, what will they get back from the palestinians. that has been negotiations going back to the clinton administration. to have it said so publicly appears to have pressed a nerve. i spoke with the president's deputy dennis mcdonough and asked about this extraordinary statement that prime minister netanyahu expects president obama to back away from what the president said just today in his speech. >> john, the president looks very much forward to the meeting with prime minister netanyahu. it will be the seventh meeting and opportunity to discuss this matter and our ongoing cooperation with the israelis across a range of issues, to include our effort, historic, to fight back against efforts and also working together against our shared concern about iran's nuclear program. >> it's a very diplomatic state

it is to make sure israel must never leave the west bank. okay? because as long as israel's there, that is the key to their strategy for globally delegitimizing israel. why play into that strength? >> he gets 29, 28 standing ovations in congress. >> you know, there's a parallel between what the palestinians could get at the u.n. and what the israelis can get in congress. they can both stand up and read the phone book and be assured that a bunch of knuckleheads in the audience will stand and give them a standing ovation. so but let's think about how bb could have really gotten a standing ovation. that would also have been in his long-term interest. let's say bb had stood before congress and said, you know, my fellow friends and my american friends, your president, president obama, has come to me and said that he believes that there's an opportunity here to break through with the palestinians. i have to tell you, i personally don't believe it. but i know one thing. when our best friend, our oldest ally, our most important strategic partner in the wo

various includes a series of bomb contiguous camps on the west bank and surrounding land. be indexed by israel. non-contiguous and really non-viable. indeed it would sound very similar to a man from a scratchy stands in apartheid south africa but i'm also in his speech not to yahoo has repeatedly assured members of congress of israel's other wavering friendship towards the us now what with what israel's consul provocations and she will call it how long will washington have to keep saying yes to the jewish state. it's very hard to say on public opinion the united states has really shifted in recent years to a more even handed positioned down balance pro israel in terms of supporting israel's again in the security interest rights and exists and in the light but. its spirit is getting more and more weary of our tax dollars being used to support colonization and oppression in the palestinian territories unfortunately your republicans mood ever more to the right in the air alliance with netanyahu as have many congressional democrats and obama as. limited his new year's tax as i

in 2002 they began building a wall separating the west bank from israel. the west bank's population is now estimated at 2.4 million and that includes about 780,000 palestinian rev gees and about 300,000 israelis. the israeli settlements are deemed illegal under international law but israel disputes this. >>> in new york on friday, dominique strauss-kahn exchanges his prison cell for a manhattan apartment for house arrest. he's expected to be released from raiikers jail. he's charged with trialing to rape a new york hotel employee and forcing other sexual acts possible her. there are seven charges in all. strauss-kahn denies them all. he says he stepped down as imf chief on wednesday to concentrate on clearing his name. strauss-kahn had been seen as a contender for president of france when elections are held next year, cnn's ivan watson has been monitoring reaction. he joins us live from the french capital. as i was watching what happened in the courtroom yesterday when both sides were talking wlb or not to grant strauss-kahn bail, i was just curious as to

really been categorized simply as the people who are living in the west bank and gaza but in fact that those living under the one nine hundred sixty seven up to a patient are really the minority of palestinians many are in exile for this so it's a kind of unity that the next but is something that is commemorated because the exile of the majority of the palestinian population is commemorated by palestinians all over the world not simply not only those in the west bank and gaza but that they are one people and they're all demanding their rights whether it's an end the occupation you know refugee rights or or equal rights within israel itself well if this rises to the level of an incursion do you think the israeli response to this weekend was appropriate. as far as i know i wasn't there these were these were attacks on civilian protesters and it's nothing new you have places like bin laden you have the ridges in the west bank where palestinians are marching week after week a nonviolent demonstrations and they're met and i've been there with gas and bombs and even my then you know we've se

one is contiguity within the west bank. the idea that there would not be of swiss cheese of settlements that would not the west bank and kate and make it impossible for palestinians to move for -- west bank landscape and make impossible for palestinians to move from the territory in the north to a territory in the south. the other is contiguity between the west bank and gaza. in the context of this speech, since the president already said that the 1967 borders would be the basis of negotiation, by inference, the contiguity statement refers to the connection between the west bank and gaza. this adds another layer of the president articulating a position which invves israel to cede control, if not sovereignty, of territory inside pre-1967 israel. the idea that there is a land bridge between gaza and the west bank is of course not new. it is how you do it and under whose control and whether it is a palestinian land bridge i which the israelis have certain rights of hot pursuit, or an israeli land bridge in which the palestinia

said that the basis territorial agreements would have to be based on the tuesday solution of the west banka and east jerusalem, territorial plots. -- swaps. those involve some of the most fertile palestinian land, almost all of the water resources of the west bank, ending up in israeli hands. this is not a viable faint, but something the israelis should have been quite pleased about. instead, they were demanding more. a more consistent position of this israeli prime minister, his demands on the obama administration have treated the u.s. as if israel was providing $30 billion over 10 years in military aid, instead of the other way around. >> it has been a bad week for colonel gaddafi with more nato bombardment and a call from the international criminal court for his arrest. the leader shows no sign of stepping aside. many are asking if the nato campaign is faltering. >> as his campaign enters its third month, nato is setting its sights on at the navy of libya, trying to loosen the grip of colonel gaddafi on power. they are launching 19 raids on three ports, including one here in the aaa. th

it's keeping peace in the west bank.d economic development there is at record levels in the last several years. people don't know that story. and i think palestine is in much better shape with leadership from president abbas to embrace this moment. and i think the same is true, really, of israel. and i suggested that the coalition might change for bibi netanyahu, but i think there's an opportunity to do what a majority of israelis want, which is move toward a two-state solution and a jewish state of israel with secure borders that the united states has already sworn many times to help israel protect. >> let me put the two of you on hold here for a second because we have to take another break. when we come back, palestinian representative to the u.s. joins us. man: all right. we were actually thinking, maybe... we're going to hike up here, so we'll catch up with you guys. [ indistinct talking and laughter ] whew! i think it's worth it. working with a partner you can trust is always a good decision. massmutual. let our fin

so when we went into the west bank, there were rabbis, like myself, who are reluctant to go where the settler movement is so strong but i decided it is important for me to hear stuff there not hear about stuff from there. so despite my initial reluctance i had a great time studying talmud. one of the rabbis that taught us was from my hometown. akron ohio. >>> one of the things i noticed about myself on the trip and aftermath a did i have aren't appreciation for the use -- a different appreciation for the use of language even though i have come back and talked about our itinerary to say we went to judiah and samaria rather than say we went into the settlements, palestinian territory, the use of language was something that i just gave a tremendous appreciation for and pushed me into a different kind of boundary, what kind of language do i use and how does that reflect where i am on a particular issue or even where is my own grey area and not knowing where i stand. i found that piece of it very interesting because i think one of the political overlays that we have put as american jews on

the victory then put the west bank and gaza with the large palestinian population under its control. since then, israel annexed a large part of jerusalem and the west bank and built thousands of settlements, where nearly 300,000 israeli, live among 2 million palestinians, beyond the '67 borders. late thursday, after the president's speech and as prime minister benjamin netanyahu went to washington. he endorsed plans for new settlement houses. the united states going back to president nixon initially called settlement activity illegal. the reagan administration softened that a bit saying settlement was not constructed. bill clinton allowed for natural growth and 2004, president bush added the u.s. now recognized the new realities on the ground. at a tense meeting at the white house friday, netanyahu demanded the white house returned to the bush position and flatly rejected a return to the '67 borders. >> these lines indefensible because they don't take into account certain changes that have taken place on the ground, demographic changes that have taken place over the last 44 years. re

they have primal -- rival armed security forces in the west bank and gaza.t will be months for those to be sort out, if at all. >> a member of the palestinian legislative council joins us. thank you for joining us. they are still planning -- plenty of commentators rubbing their eyes at this occasion taking place. what makes you believe that it can stand the test of time? >> i think because it is become absolutely imperative, both for internal domestic reasons and regional developments. both sides have come to an understanding that they continue with this, it will cost him credibility, standing, and constituency under the palestinians. the palestinian public has been speaking out, putting pressure room both sides. we are committed to that well- being of palestine, in new better deal with this and quickly. it does not take a rocket scientist to put together the constituents of such reconciliation. >> it might not take much to put the constituents together on paper of the bill, but when we talk about -- look at the enmity between the two groups for a start. que

gaza and the west bank would become the palestinian state. he did not commit himself on the future of jerusalem. issue has issued a stinging statement saying that these borders are indefensible and would leave many major population centers beyond the lines. the president explained why he had chosen to talk about those borders. >> our argument is like a started on a conversation about territory at about security. -- let's get started on a conversation about territory and about security. if we make progress on what two states with look-alike, a reality sets in among the parties this is how it is going to end up, then it becomes easier for both sides to make difficult concessions to resolve those issues. >> he spoke of the country such as egypt, their debt canceled. libya, where he said that gaddafi would be forced from power or would leave. a much stronger line on syria. >> this hearing people have shown the courage to demand in a transition to democracy. president assad has a choice, he can lead a transition or get out of the way. >> the presi

gaza and the west bank, plus or minus agreed land swapes would become the palestinian state but didn't commit himself from the future of jerusalem. israel issue beside a stinging statement saying the borders are indefensible and leave israeli population centers beyond the lines. in an exclusive interview with andrew marr, the president said why he had chosen to talk about the borders. >> our argument is let's get started on a conversation about territory and about security. that doesn't resolve all the issues. you still end up having the problem of jerusalem and end up having the problem of refugees. but if we make progress on what two states would look like and a reality sets in among the parties that this is how it's going to end up, then it becomes easier for both sides to make difficult concessions to resolve those two other issues. >> he spoke of other individual countries, egypt, a billion dollars in debt canceled, bahrain, the government must abandon brute force and libya where he said gaddafi should leave or are forced out of power and a stronger line on syria. >> the syrian pe

with their power bases in gaza and the west bank separated by israel. since their bloody split in 2007, hamas has controlled gaza which has been under an israel blockade assisted until now by egypt. fateh's strength is in the west bank including east jerusalem which has been occupied by the israelis since 1967. fateh's political relations with israel are weak, but the two sides cooperate on security often against hamas. hamas' charter calls for the destruction of the state of israel. in recent years, some hamas leaders have talked about a long truce. at the signing ceremony in cairo, they paid their respects to palestinian dead. they have agreed to disagree, to put together an interim government. they're planning elections to let the people decide what they want. >> we reached this important reconciliation and at the same time how to deal with the smoothly, kindly and peacefully and accept the results of the election. >> celebrations might be premature. tensions are rising. fateh is hoping the u.n. general assembly will recognize palestinian independenc

in six days they captured the goli heights from syria and the west bank and east jerusalem from jordan. israel returned the sinai in exchange for peace with egypt. arabs have long argued the rest needs to follow in return for more peace, but israel says it needs the golan for water and at least parts of the west bank for settlements and security and that it will not compromise on jerusalem. so for years there's been deadlock until this happened. the arab street has mobilized unleashing pent-up anti-israeli sentiments. last weekend in cairo protestors tried to storm the israeli embassy. they wanted to burn it down. after the revolution in egypt and the ongoing protests across the middle east, people in the arab world feel empowered and say that they're no longer willing to accept dictatorship and most are not willing to accept a peace process they say favors israel. egyptians expect arab demands on israel will only grow as the arabs spring revolutions mature. >> the arab people they have the self-confidence. they're not afraid from israel. >> reporter: for the united states it's a polit

israel is would go to the west bank. there was economic integration to a degree. the kinds of segregation and divisions have become much more permanent and locked in place. these will be hard to reverse. you just cannot go back a decade and dust off the old plan. host: when you first arrive, was it that sparked the decline t three? there? guest: the spark that unleashed a lot of built up anger and frustration that the peace process had not gone as the palestinians and israel is had hoped. there was frustration on the palestinian side. we described in the first chapter or the first deaths on the temple mount bacchant september of 2000. it is not that that's part or cause the intifada. but we bring to in this chapter is the back start of what made him go there that day. we have interviews and stories and the back story behind what motivated him to go there that day. and then everything that unfolded from that. you have to understand those initial days. greg is fond of saying it just takes a small spark in the middle east. look at what is happening in tunis. man set

sooner rather than later or they will overtake the west bank and this might then a problem not only for the palestinians that will be a program for his ride this is one of the many checkpoints between israel and the palestinian territories as cairo extends a hand to the palestinians security here is unlikely to be beefed up in the three months since mubarak was ousted you know once the place for some believe the americans gave up the old friend too early and too easily miscalculated his replacement would be a democrat running for the. interest instead it's the generals who continue to shots and playing this man. egypt want to train. the way that it has been run on the one hand but on the other hand we want to establish a new relationship with hamas we are not sure about the way the. government will act so ironically rushing to the fortress creating a safer middle east its closest ally israel is suffering a recent poll found that fifty four percent of rejections want to see the egyptian israeli peace treaty cancelled a statistic that has raised refined and missing the old order more new

of that ensued palestinians want jerusalem to be the capital of the state and to stablish in the west bank and gaza strip. egypt's interim ruling military council has vowed to use all means to crack down on water called deviant groups threatening stability and security meanwhile the wife of ousted president hosni mubarak has been detained for fifteen days and cairo pending further investigations into corruption allegations comes after the couple were questioned on charges of profiteering the former president is also accused of ordering the deaths of anti regime protesters. three people have reportedly been killed and eighteen injured after security troops opened fire on protesters in yemen the shooting happened in the town of south of the capital as thousands of ten of the funeral of another demonstrator killed on thursday people across yemen have been demanding an end to the twenty year rule of president saleh however their leader remains defiant saying who will use all necessary means to defend. his position. on the american operation that killed osama bin ladin two weeks ago and call fo

it's rooted security forces clashed with palestinians in east jerusalem and at the west bank on fridayjust ahead of the market today some protesters holed stones at soldiers who responded with water cannons and tear gas reports say at least one person was killed and nearly a dozen rested and that day marks the founding of the state of israel in one thousand forty eight after which some seven hundred thousand palestinians fled or were expelled in the war that ensued palestinians want east jerusalem to be the capital of the state they intend to establish in the west bank and gaza. egypt's interim ruling military council has vowed to use all means to crack down on what it called deviant groups threatening stability and security meanwhile the wife of asked of president hosni mubarak has suffered a suspected heart attack after being detained for fifteen days in cairo as part of a corruption probe the couple were accused of having abused their position for personal gain with the former president also facing charges over ordering the deaths of regime protesters. three people have reportedly b

nine hundred sixty seven border lines and that would mean what happens is giving up completely the west bank is jerusalem and the gavels free. he was very careful to say that the u.s. is slowly an advisor here and cleared washington and basically any responsibility to act there has been words before but never any action to really push for the two state solution solution that president obama was talking about the fact that israel is the protectorate of the united states and the israeli lobby is very powerful here makes it even harder to extract balanced approach from washington. the mayor is a professor of international relations at york university he says when president obama meets spending minutes in yeah there's still going to be any concrete proposals for peace between israel and the toughest indians sixty four percent of the american public support israel and in an election year in a campaign year no president is going to ignore what the american public wants and wants to see happen so he is not going to go into details about what is required what is going to grow but i think he would be

brief for you this hour israeli security forces clashed with palestinians in east jerusalem and the west bank on friday a day some protesters hurled stones at soldiers who responded with water cannons and tear gas before and say at least one person was killed and nearly a dozen were arrested not but dave marx the founding of the state of israel in nineteen forty eight after which some seven hundred thousand palestinians fled or were expelled in the war about ensuite palestinians want east jerusalem to be the capital of the state they tend to stablish in the west bank and gaza strip. egypt's interim ruling military council has vowed to use all means to crack down water called deviant groups threatening stability and security meanwhile the wife of president hosni mubarak has been detained for fifteen days in cairo pending further investigations into corruption allegations it comes after a couple were questioned on charges of profiteering the former president is also accused of ordering the deaths of regime protesters. have reportedly been killed and eighteen injured after security troops opened

. >> but the occupation to tel aviv and hifa that's the core of the problem. >> charlie: not the west bank. >> it's all of what we call israel. but if the united states were to make any effort to engage hamas, diplomatically even secretly it would be fatal to america's relationship with israel. mean that america would lose whatever -- leverage that it has to push israeli to make hard choices. it would be fatal i think for the palestinians as well because it would legitimize a movement that is inherently apathetical to their -- a pity for president obama's larger themes. on thursday in my view he gave generally a great speech in which he gave his own version of a freedom agenda which was inspiring for egyptians, syrians, libyans, so on. he ought to be thinking about how he pushes that agenda forward in those arab countries which is where the body of american interests going forward lied. >> as walter mentioned aluf mentioned, jeff agrees, there is going to be no real progress between israel and the palestinians so long as you have a palestinian prime minister who continues to harp incessant

sooner rather than later or they will overtake the west bank and this might be then a problem not only for the palestinians it will be a problem for israel this is one of the many checkpoints between israel and the palestinian territories as cairo extends a hand to the palestinians security here is unlikely to be beefed up in the three months since mubarak was ousted no one's replaced him some believe the americans gave up the old friend truly and she easily miscalculated his replacement would be a democratic volunteer interest in. it's the generals who continue to do the shots and they paint this man. union one. on one but on the other hand we want to establish a new relationship with hamas we are more sure of the way the new egyptian government acts so ironically it was creating a safer middle east its closest ally israel is suffering a recent poll found that fifty four percent of egyptians once you see the egyptian israeli peace treaty cancelled a statistic that has these raids terrifying and missing the old wooden. police the r t. meanwhile the broader region is still quaking with

the 1967 borders, the borders between israel and the west bank and israel and gazza have been -- gwen: or the armistice lines as some call it. >> or the armistice lines if you want a different date to work off of have been the basis of negotiations since at least the clinton administration. everybody involved in this knows that. president obama wasn't saying israel has to go back to those borders, he said, you start with those borders and make adjustments to them. ok. that's been de facto u.s. policy. but no president had explicitly said it before as u.s. policy, as the starting point that was sort of written in gold and netanyahu didn't like that because he wanted to hang onto that as kind of a bargaining chip. even though it's a bargaining chip that he's given away with, that his predecessors have given away, he wants the right to take it back. he wasn't happy about that phrase. on the other side, obama had to sit there and listen to not one but several lectures about basic realities on the ground. you heard prime minister netanyahu say that. well with, realities on the ground is co