one of the group with ansell adams, edward westen. she ran come out of her home in san francisco on green street, school ofrnhart photography. i went there and took classes. that everything was done as an extracurricular activity meant that i had to really want to do it. i think that was a great benefit to me. now, of course, stanford has an mfa program. really tested my interest and my desire. i'm curious. since you're talking about teachers, stephanie and her opening remarks mentioned walker evans. he went on to yale university school of art where you studied under him. and you began to develop a style that could not have been farther from the documentary style of his work. what thatous transition was like. and how he continued to mentor you, despite you going in a very different direction? walker was a very interesting man. with one of his proteges, christenberry, walker love talking about french literature. he did not have much interest in talking about photography. he had gone to paris as a young man and wanted to be a writer. he