so western mosul where most of the _ at least.as gaza city, where the israelis are going to be constraining at least the first part of their offensive. and it has about the same number of people so it took about 180 days to clear western mosul and well over half the housing stock in the city was destroyed. when we talk about urban warfare in some of the challenges, you've been running about some of the things it could be challenging as the israeli fighters go door—to—door to houses. just explain some of that. fine fighters go door-to-door to houses. just explain some of that.— just explain some of that. one of the thins just explain some of that. one of the things is _ just explain some of that. one of the things is a — just explain some of that. one of the things is a real _ just explain some of that. one of the things is a real challenge - just explain some of that. one of the things is a real challenge in l the things is a real challenge in gaza, unlike other modern battlefields in cities, is that there are around 60 buildings s

. >> western mosul, where most of the fighting happened, it is about the same size of gaza city, whichere the israelis are going to be concentrating, at least the first part of their offensive. it has a similar number of people. for comparison, it took 180 days to clear west mosul, and well over half the housing stock in the city was destroyed. rajini: when we talk about urban warfare and some of the challenges, you have been writing about some of the things that could be challenging as the israeli fighters go door-to-door to houses. just expla some of that. >> one of the things that's a real challenge in gaza, unlike other modern battlefields in cities, is that there are around 60 buildings six stories are taller -- or taller in gaza, which we didn't have in mosul or other places. there is a poorly understood subterranean tunnel system underneath the city that hamas has had around 15 years to develop. rajini: ok, and when you look back at how long it took for mosul to be taken from isis, what do you think can be drawn on the timescale once israel decides to begin its large-scale groun

they will be facing a situation that looks very similar to when the western coalition entered mosul whentrolled by isis. they will face car bombs, roadside bombs, ieds, ambushes, rpgs, we understand after viewing the weapons ourselves, were created in gaza because remember how all of this started. it started with a massacre on october 7th. the gazans brought in weapons, much of which they made themselves, have the cameraman punch in here. when you are looking at there are flares, not rockets, not airstrikes, those are flares launched by the israeli military and based on the location they could be launched by the navy, they could be launched by ground forces just over the northern border, between gaza and israel. but those are used to illuminate the area and can do 1 of 2 things. they can be used to notify the israeli military where the next target is going to be, and also to ensure there are no ground incursions into israeli territory. john, sandra. >> john: trey, thank you so much. we'll get back to you. great reporting tonight. sandra, one thing that goes unmentioned as we see the rock

lead to to the fact that isis will lose its position in iraq, then the western coalition begins to bomb iraq , begins to bomb mosultwo million people, this continued for several weeks, and people died innumerable, thousands of people died, few people talked about it, and - not only those who died as a result of the bombing died, but also those who later died under the rubble, they died for a very long time and painfully, because there was no one to save them, and the middle eastern media wrote that it is impossible to get to mosul, because around the city there is one continuous groan from under the rubble, therefore the practice of storming the destruction of large, densely populated cities, where mostly civilians are located, by generally non-regional players, it exists, and modern practice in the middle east, that... the situation with the gaza strip, well, let's look at what is happening in three dimensions, the first dimension, we just looked, yes, yovland was just talking about the fact that israel is fighting with humanoids, animals, well, with some kind of biorobots, apparently or humanoids , i don’t know

mosul from the face of the earth. over 9 months of fighting, more than 11,000 civilians were killed. a third of the victims were aviation and artillery of westernountries. russian ministry of defense then they said that the united states - quote - is striking buildings with civilians, knowingly dooming them to terrible death. iranian president raisi warns that telaviev has crossed red lines with his war crimes. threatens to intervene in the conflict. despite warnings from washington, which actively supports israel. we are confident that we have been able to share our vision of how urban combat and the like are fought. we've had more than enough opportunities to talk to israelis about the lessons we learned, they will obviously talk about their decisions , what they are doing or will do, but we will remain in close contact with them and we will make sure that they have the tools, weapons and opportunities to succeed in this war with hamas. in the meantime, the main result of the escalation in the middle east is the terrible number of civilian deaths; according to the international association save the children , 3,195 children were killed in gas

mosul in iraq that isis took over. it is about the same size and population of the territory of northern gaza. it took iraqi and u.s. and western forces three years to clear that out. so we're looking at what could be a long campaign. >> in israel, it is trying to decapitate the hamas leadership. what if their successful? what is the -- what is the long-term strategy for what this war will look like if hamas, the leadership, is eliminating here. >> i don't think anybody knows. i don't think -- not that i don't think, i know there was no discussion yet about the next step. and about the exit strategy and about long-term. because everything right now is focused on the goal of first taking out hamas, dismantle its military infrastructure, to be honest, i'm not sure that such a thing is even possible. okay. you have to understand, we make this comparison between hamas and isis when it comes to its cruelty and i totally agree with that. but hamas is not isis in the meaning that it has a political base among the population. it is not like this external actor that came one day and took everybody hostage. it won an election in 2005. so

mosul, there were civilian casualties. we think our ratio between civilian and combat casualties, between the people we want to get and between people, innocent bystanders, compares very well to nato and other western forces. amna: and mark, if i may, well, what what is that ratio? what are those numbers? mark: i'm not at liberty to discuss that. i apologize. because we still have combat ongoing and we haven't had ground troops in yet and the situation could change. but what i would say is this. we are trying to make a maximum effort to avoid collateral damage. hamas, unfortunately, has the opposite goal. and here is something that i think needs to be said. when we're asking civilians to leave areas of expected heavy combat, hamas is telling them to stay and, you know, they must die for the crazy cause. amna: but, mark, if i may. many people tell us they fled the north to the south, and then there was israeli bombing in the south as well. mark: yes, but it's true because there are hamas targets in the south, but there won't be the same level of -- of heavy fighting, because in the north there, especially under gaza city, there is a network of tunnels and bunkers and and arms depots. we expect very

mosul in the sixteenth and seventeenth years. the second option is an invasion. with tanks and infantry, just like the western coalition stormed fallujah rocket attacks and terrorist attacks on the territory of the jewish state. in addition, the group’s command centers, which, quote, were located in mosques, were allegedly destroyed. here are just the al-jazeera tv channel with reference to aminrav reported that the number of civilian deaths as a result of night strikes by the israeli air force on the cities of the enclave has reached. 110 people. no hamas militants were found among them. against the backdrop of indiscriminate bombing of residential areas by gas and the israeli military, which is visible to the whole world. the radical hamas movement is trying to play the card with the humane appearance of an essentially terrorist organization. hamas publishes footage of the release of two old women from captivity; the militants caught tea with them on camera and handed them over to humanitarian organizations. one of the freed hostages, eighty-five-year-old yohavet livshits, said that in captivity they were treated well, given everythi