, but they have their own problems at westinghouse and have their own problems with -- amongst the liberalmunity. so that is just the way it is. >> who's r. c. buhly and why such an influence on you? >> she was a pulitzer prize winning historian at indiana university and he was... he's -- we had a good history department in indiana when i went there and most of them were liberals and liberals in those days were a little, generally speaking, less partisan than they are today and were very nice people, and it also had to stick in their craw that r.c. buhly down the hallway won the pulitzer prize and the only one in the department and, he was a really right wing... one of those guys, he was one of those, like my grandfathers, hated fdr. and he had every, every fdr story imaginable, he had, and, he used to trot them all out and i believed all of them, until i got to be about 40 years old and read some other things and finally came to the conclusion that fdr was a pretty good president, and we wouldn't have -- i don't know if we can imagine us losing world war ii but we would not be the interna