brian: called you a whacko. mr. buchanan: i wish that would have been the worst i've ever been called. brian: have you always told the truth? >> i said what you do is -- i argue for a policy inside. and once the president decides you've got three choices, you go out and defend policy, the president stated. you keep your mouth shut or you get out. clearly i would explain policies like with nixon, i traveled with him to the middle east. we went through africa. an he was a critic of vietnam. he defended it everywhere he was because he saw himself, i think as almost an attorney for the governor -- government of the united states obligated to defend the policy and explain the policy. and it was really something to behold. he was great friend with rusk. and so i think -- you don't go out and tell a lie. but you do say here's why the president's doing this. this is why he thinks the china trip is good. you don't go out and think, jeez, i think this is going to blow up. [laughter] you have to. there are certain obligations

it is just a whacko vote and i just can't imagine that anybody can take him seriously.rian: what do you think when you see that? pat: that's when we announced. i thought we can beat trump with the nomination and i think we could. brian: the reform party. pat: reform party and we got the nomination, but i look upon those with trump. we found out these are really terms of endearment. i mean, i look at that and i do laugh, but i will say this to reveal something that a number of years ago, i got a call from donald trump and he was very gracious and mentioned some things he had said way back there and he said and regretted and was very gracious about it and so i supported him almost 100 percent. supported a lot of his positions. i was elated that he came out with those positions. i voted for him in the virginia primer. i voted for him in the general election, and so i hope the president's success. brian: who is more honest in the public light? donald trump or pat buchanan? pat: it's what the nuns told me how to behave. what did you say? who is more honest? brian: who is mor

the other lawyer involved in london is a complete whacko., i think they were shaking down some trump people for their own cause which is human rights and adoption. by the way, i might favor that cause. i wouldn't have done it this way. i give donald jr. credit for being transparent. he knows he made a mistake and he's been transparent. can we talk about tariffs and taxes and growth and interest rates? >> which do you not think have been buffeted at all about it russian news i assume. >> nothing i don't see any evidence of it >> all right >> michael may disagree. i don't see any evidence that the markets care about this story. >> apparently not. we have record highs to day on the transports in india, south korea, hong kong, turkey and greece >> there you go. >> all time or multiyear high. so what is important to you from a policy stand point right now >> taxes, for a change. >> that's a shock. >> trade trade, okay? the administration is four score. i want to underscore this for the tax cuts they're trying to figure out best way to play it wlc