ann: first i want to get to whataboutism. this is big these days because it is for people paying attention so massively unfair. every president being dropped -- dent being trapped right and left, saying we don't want to hear about hillary clinton, for those of you who is,t know what whataboutism it is also known as the rule of law. like cases are treated alike. that is why justice is wearing a blindfold and holding a scale. it is not supposed to matter if your last name is trump or clinton. tism is an attempt to destroy the entire construct of the rule of law, like cases are treated alike. host: do you want to talk about your relationship with the administration? well, for those of you who follow me on twitter know i was his most vocal supporter. magnificent,was trump has stunning political instincts. as i wrote in my last book, i love seeing these washington style republicans going on tv saying he isg him, not a real republican. half the country is not a republican. it is an all new party of the course i have been disappoint

we can argue about this but we guess whatabout -- their economies based on? a single commodity economy. interest-earning to designeds it in a way to amplify their strength and men fought -- minimize their weakness. at the end we would use only economic power. callanipulation is what we hyper warfare. i would argue. i hope that inspires some questions. nation thats a weak in response to a conventional reinforcement of nato according to article five. who does that? the russians do it. that is why they are so powerful in the eyes of the leadership over there. meantime, there has been from the baltics to the black sea, to the mediterranean, there is a expansion and an attempt to deny area to anybody but themselves. leningrad,nment into spills over at -- into one third of poland and the majority of ultimate nations. that's not an accident. that's how you display power when you really don't have any. web ofu have a whole frozen complex that are basically remnants of the russian all over europe. is,ou don't know what that a frozen conflict is when the military actio

>> this sounds a lot like whataboutism. you are a lot better than that. >> jason: facts will prove. like, keep going. let me ask you this. democrats are advocating, big people like kirstin gillibrand and senator warren, are advocating the abolish of i.c.e. i've never seen a national party win collection by advocating getting rid of law enforcement and trying to demonize them as if they are trying to be something wrong other than -- i was at a winning issue for democrats? >> this is oftentimes misunderstood. i think what people are calling for when they say the abolition of i.c.e., they are talking about restructuring i.c.e. we think that i.c.e. definitely does a great job when they are catching cyber criminals and catching child pornographers and doing many of the jobs that -- >> jason: murderers. >> that many of them actually, a couple, i think it was 19 members of i.c.e. said we want to focus on those important jobs, not on separating families and doing some of the other things that -- >> jason: you are so conflating the issue. i.c.e. does not detain those people. they don't! when