commissioner fung: i am not convinced that a door by itself with whateve rkinr kind of harde takes it far enough. the problem with closers is that they slow the door down. they close its eventually, but it stays open. the discussion that occurred here, perhaps we weren't quite clear, did not take it far enough. i am not prepared to, with the architectural solution -- come up with the architectural solution to contain the sound. i don't think it was appropriate enough, and i am not prepared to support this. >> i intend to agree with commissioner fung. on other cases, we gave these two sets of parties tochances to work something out. they were not able to do that. we heard from the neighbor that has long-term tenants refusing to renew the lease and waiting to hear the outcome of the hearing. and we know also that