it all -- it some whau falls into place in understanding why there was a meeting. so this does not look good, but we still have to see how this plays out. right now it's alleged. >> i do have to say, i heard the conversation about whether -- getting into trump tower, what did you have to do, did you have to show identification? the two, three times, i can't recall, the couple sit-downs that i did with him, this was before he became the actual nominee. each time i went, had to show identification at the elevator to get up to the floor. >> yes. >> at least where the trump family was -- >> and explain -- >> and explain why you're here. i'm there from cnn, i'm doing an interview with mr. trump. then they called up and you were led up. you know, i would imagine anyone who's visiting the family would have to give identification. michael, before i get to you, i want to get your reaction. i just want to tell you, there's a statement we're getting, this is from cnn's "state of america," "ask for reaction from tonight's "the new york times" report, mark curelo, spokesman for