and when term limits for '95, whenent in, in speaker gingrich came in, it was six years in the majority. i think it should still be six in the majority. i think counting time as ranking very different prospect. but look, it is what it is. i was very glad i had two years member, because it actually helped many edevelop the staff, the -- helped me the policy staff, positions, to be ready for the majority. i was going toat get into the majority. so i consider myself fortunate to have the four years i have and really honored to be able to position.hat >> chairman mckeon suggested that roleto see change also. do you think it's possible? >> i don't see it changing. >> and why not? >> first of all, whenever somebody leaves, somebody else moves up. more people move up than leave. so i think it's very unlikely it would change. that itt see a change counts for the majority. that you could see, because it was kind of an informal change that the speaker made to have it include ranking membership. hasn't been a debate in the conference on that. but fewer members are chairman than are rank and file m