how do we get more people who have never been here into whhouse? when i got it i was kind of like this is the real, but it is not a job i thought i would have. >> most white house staffers don't interview with the boss, the interview with the boss of the boss, you two interview the boss and what their standard interview, >> in the family residence. i was dazzled, a big window you see on television shows about the white house and the sun was shining in and the artwork is amazing and mrs. bush was so warm and welcoming and pleasant and started talking about the job as if i already had it and i wao enteain a lot more and work with the chef, we have been trying to work with him but you should try, and i was talking to her about this, wasn't so dazzled that i honestly, she said we need an upstairs made to take that over. i thought i have a job. >> the interviews in the west wing, one advisor after another, they were relatively brief, 15 minutes. the president was very brief and reassuring, mrs. obama, that interview lasted an hour and i can honestly say