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>> whitaker: you did? >> quin: yes. definitely. >> whitaker: why didn't you? >> quin: i had never held a rifle. and it's going to take me too long, vital seconds standing out here figuring out how to use it. >> whitaker: did-- you feel angry enough that you-- you could have shot him? >> quin: yes. and enjoyed it. and that was scary to me when i thought about it afterwards, it's like, you find another person inside you that you kind of didn't know was there >> whita your tour group were killed there? >> quin: yes, out of the 16 taken hostage, four shot dead and two seriously wounded. >> whitaker: quin told us a terrorist executed one of the hostages. the other three died in the crossfire. the yemeni army, killed three of the kidnappers, including purple skirt. after 26-hours as captives, a military helicopter flew the surviving tourists, and the dead, to the city of aden. obsessed with the kidnapping. you had a whiteboard and you had names and arrows and circles and-- >> quin: i wouldn't be at the ending until i kind of pieced together who was involved and why.
>> whitaker: you did? >> quin: yes. definitely. >> whitaker: why didn't you? >> quin: i had never held a rifle. and it's going to take me too long, vital seconds standing out here figuring out how to use it. >> whitaker: did-- you feel angry enough that you-- you could have shot him? >> quin: yes. and enjoyed it. and that was scary to me when i thought about it afterwards, it's like, you find another person inside you that you kind of didn't know was there...
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six seconds. >> whitaker: in six seconds? >> bachelor: yes. >> whitaker: in six seconds?> bachelor: i can do it in four. ( laughter ) >> whitaker: so... so show me what you do. >> bachelor: okay. >> whitaker: show me how six seconds can make a star. >> bachelor: all right. so, the movie "batman vs. superman" came out, right? it was a 90-minute movie. i'm showing you if "batman vs. superman" was real and in six seconds. >> whitaker: does that get a lot of views? >> bachelor: yeah, mm-hmm. >> whitaker: how many? >> bachelor: a couple million. >> whitaker: advertisers pay bach just to place their products in his clips. he made a handful of videos wearing a jimmy johns logo and earned more than $300,000 from the sandwich maker. you're making money off of this? >> bachelor: i can retire if i wanted to. >> whitaker: off of six-second videos? >> bachelor: yeah. ( laughter ) you hate me. that's a laugh of hate. >> whitaker: i chose the wrong line of work! ( laughter ) social media influencers are a small slice of what the advertising industry spends overall on ads, but it was eno
six seconds. >> whitaker: in six seconds? >> bachelor: yes. >> whitaker: in six seconds?> bachelor: i can do it in four. ( laughter ) >> whitaker: so... so show me what you do. >> bachelor: okay. >> whitaker: show me how six seconds can make a star. >> bachelor: all right. so, the movie "batman vs. superman" came out, right? it was a 90-minute movie. i'm showing you if "batman vs. superman" was real and in six seconds. >>...
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>> whitaker: much of yemen is surreal. the tour group had explored breathtaking scenery and unique historic sites; but now they were hostages, and some would not survive. quin's companions, mostly brits, at xerox in new york. the gunmen were yemeni rebels, an offshoot of al qaeda. they drove their captives off the main road into the desert, and made them sleep outside that night. the next morning, all hell broke loose. >> quin: we started to hear gunfire in the distance. and right away, i thought," someone's coming in to rescue us." and there were shells exploding in the air above us and it was quite chaotic. and then, th stand in a line. and that's when i thought-we're going to be executed. >> whitaker: stand in a line- >> quin: yeah, just had us line up, and i thought, well... >> whitaker: quin and the other hostages said they were forced to be human shields. while the yemeni army fired toward the terrorists from a thicket at the far end of a vacant field; at the opposite end, the terrorists made the tourists stand on a
>> whitaker: much of yemen is surreal. the tour group had explored breathtaking scenery and unique historic sites; but now they were hostages, and some would not survive. quin's companions, mostly brits, at xerox in new york. the gunmen were yemeni rebels, an offshoot of al qaeda. they drove their captives off the main road into the desert, and made them sleep outside that night. the next morning, all hell broke loose. >> quin: we started to hear gunfire in the distance. and right...
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that's... >> whitaker: $100,000 a year? >> vaynerchuck: that's right. >> whitaker: and that might be why 25,000 people showed up last spring at the online video industry's annual convention in anaheim. it's where teens and 20- somethings come, hoping to learn perhaps baby ariel. 13 million followers apparently like watching the 15-year-old lip-sync songs on an app called musically. >> baby ariel: ? just gonna stand there and watch me burn. ? >> whitaker: she pitches candy, she has her own line of lipstick, and three bodyguards to hold off her fans. it might seem crazy, but today some kid with an iphone and a dream can make more money than imagined. >> vaynerchuck: during the time of this episode airing, four new influencers popped up, making their first video ever-- maybe 40, maybe 400. so, the market is quite wide. it's just who's going to win the depth game and be the best at it. >> whitaker: it's a worldwide popularity contest conducted minute by minute. one sign of just how popular influencers have become: they've caugh
that's... >> whitaker: $100,000 a year? >> vaynerchuck: that's right. >> whitaker: and that might be why 25,000 people showed up last spring at the online video industry's annual convention in anaheim. it's where teens and 20- somethings come, hoping to learn perhaps baby ariel. 13 million followers apparently like watching the 15-year-old lip-sync songs on an app called musically. >> baby ariel: ? just gonna stand there and watch me burn. ? >> whitaker: she...
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most of my friends death. >> whitaker: most of your friends are dead? >> joody: yes. >> whitaker: sulaf says she is lucky she made it to jordan alive with her family and her parents. she has one sister in bombed out aleppo, another in isis- controlled territory. but jordan is where her husband ahmad's luck ran out. 2014. her youngest son, malaz, was diagnosed with autism but the family couldn't find treatment. this past august, sulaf was cleared by homeland security to travel to the u.s. it was just in time. she was considering taking her family on the treacherous journey to europe by boat, in order to get malaz the help he needs. she told us, if she tried to cross the ocean to europe and they made it, they made ; they died, they died. there's no difference between death and life in this place. she says she can't work, she can't educate her children, she has no opportunity. so, a new life in america is your only hope? >> sulaf: yeah. yeah. exactly. >> whitaker: we met ekbal and his wife eman in their apartment in jordan this past august as they were pre
most of my friends death. >> whitaker: most of your friends are dead? >> joody: yes. >> whitaker: sulaf says she is lucky she made it to jordan alive with her family and her parents. she has one sister in bombed out aleppo, another in isis- controlled territory. but jordan is where her husband ahmad's luck ran out. 2014. her youngest son, malaz, was diagnosed with autism but the family couldn't find treatment. this past august, sulaf was cleared by homeland security to travel...
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. >> i'm bill whitaker. >> i'm anderson cooper. >> i'm scott pelley. those stories, tonight on "60 minutes." >> cbs money watch, sponsored by american express open. proud supporter of growing businesses. >> good evening. wells fargo is facing fallout from last month's banking scandal. new checking accounts and credit card applications are down more netflix, ibm and bank of america report earnings tomorrow, and workers at distilleries in kentucky are now on strike. i'm elaine quijano, cbs news. hey, evan. so, you're stuck at a work thing. with directv and at&t you can stream all your favorite shows without using your data. that makes you more powerful than a table for 60. wednesdays are the new thursdays! or the mandatory after party. i'm not going anywhere. it's your tv, take it with you. man, i'm glad aflac pays cash. aflac! isn't major medical enough? no! who's gonna' help cover the holes in their plans? aflac! like rising co-pays and deductibles... aflac! or help pay the mortgage? or child care? aflaaac! and everyday expenses? aflac! learn about one
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opportunity. >> whitaker: ...and is anxious to find a job. their new life in america isn't easy, but for the first time in a long time, sulaf says she has hope. >> sulaf: and on behalf for me and my kids, i... i would like thanks for peop... american people and american government for this chance. and thank you very, very, very much. and ours... save our children. ? ? one smart choice leads to the next. ? the new 2017 ford fusion is here. it's the beauty of a well-made choice. ? want longer lasting heartburn relief? try...duo fusion duo fusion goes to work in seconds and lasts up to 12 hours. tums only lasts up to 3. one chewable tablet try duo fusion from the makers of zantac i have no idea what's in this seaweed wrap. but with this usp seal i know exactly what's in my nature made gummies. nature made has the first gummy certified by usp. a non profit organization that sets purity and potency standards. ? ? ? ? woman: it's been a journey to get where i am. and i didn't get here alone. kept me on track. and through it all, my retirement never
opportunity. >> whitaker: ...and is anxious to find a job. their new life in america isn't easy, but for the first time in a long time, sulaf says she has hope. >> sulaf: and on behalf for me and my kids, i... i would like thanks for peop... american people and american government for this chance. and thank you very, very, very much. and ours... save our children. ? ? one smart choice leads to the next. ? the new 2017 ford fusion is here. it's the beauty of a well-made choice. ?...
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six seconds. >> whitaker: in x secos? >> bachelor: yes. >> whitaker: in six seconds? ( laughter ) >> bachelor: i can do it i four. ( laughter >> bachelor: okay. >> whitaker: show me how six seconds can make sr. >> bacher: all right so, the vie "batman vs. supean" came out, right? it was a 90-minute movie. i'm showing you if "batman vs. superman" was real and ix seconds. >> whitaker: does that get a lot of views? >> bachelor: yeah, mm-hmm. >> whitaker: how many? >> bachelor: a couple million. >> whitaker: advertisers pay chust to place their products in his clips. wearing a jimmy johns logo and rned me than $300,000 from e sandwich maker. you're makinmoney f of this? >> bachelor: i can retire if i wanted to. >> whitaker: of sisecond os? ( laughter )eah. yohate me.augh of ha. >> whitaker: i chose the wng line of work! ( laughter ) social mia influce are asml slis paul cazers is an agent with c.a.a., one of the biggest talent firms in town. do themake toouch for whatth d a gger audience than oldt. hollywood ever had a chance to cess. when ty take aideo or a picture and p
six seconds. >> whitaker: in x secos? >> bachelor: yes. >> whitaker: in six seconds? ( laughter ) >> bachelor: i can do it i four. ( laughter >> bachelor: okay. >> whitaker: show me how six seconds can make sr. >> bacher: all right so, the vie "batman vs. supean" came out, right? it was a 90-minute movie. i'm showing you if "batman vs. superman" was real and ix seconds. >> whitaker: does that get a lot of views? >>...
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i don't know. >> whitaker: you did bad things? >> templiner: really bad things, yes. >> whitaker: he wouldn't tell us laws kept us from finding out. his life is confined to this well-appointed, apartment-like building. look around, this is life in prison for germany's worst offenders. you expect to be here until you die? >> templiner: maybe. yes. >> whitaker: but convicted murderer bernd junge expects to get out in november. he stuck to his plan and earned maintenance job at the nearby port. you could escape if you wanted to. >> bernd junge: yes. >> whitaker: but you don't? >> junge: no. >> whitaker: why not? >> junge ( translated ): very simple. my time is almost over. and i want to be done with this chapter of my life, once and for all. >> whitaker: at pennsylvania's graterford prison, this is where murderers are housed, locked up 23 hours a day. >> i'm still hungry. still hungry. >> wetzel: i think more now than any time in the history of our country we have the right and left agree that we've frankly screwed up the corrections
i don't know. >> whitaker: you did bad things? >> templiner: really bad things, yes. >> whitaker: he wouldn't tell us laws kept us from finding out. his life is confined to this well-appointed, apartment-like building. look around, this is life in prison for germany's worst offenders. you expect to be here until you die? >> templiner: maybe. yes. >> whitaker: but convicted murderer bernd junge expects to get out in november. he stuck to his plan and earned...
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grace whitaker. you must be very proud. you have no idea. if, uh, you all will excuse me for a minute. jake tells me you just moved here, too. yeah. about a year ago. mm-hmm. where from? back east. oh. where from back east? i'm from back east. the city. connecticut. we moved around a lot. wilson: i'd say about 20 colleges in all. go straight into the minor leagues. no, no, no. forget that. i want him to play at least two years of college ball. i think that's a good idea. good. i want you to handle all that. you find a school with a good baseball program and a coach that won't throw his arm out. don't worry. i take care of my kids. uh, there's, uh, there's something else i'd like to ask you. sure. you're going to find it strange, because we've never met before. but i want you to accept what i'm about to say without asking any questions. what are you talking about? if anything should happen to me... i mean if i should get in an accident or something... ...i want you to look out for my kid. i want you to look out for johnny and his baseball car
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. >> whitaker: how many kidnappers were there? >> quin: about 18. >> whitaker: how mary quin survived is a story in itself. and so is what the terrorist behind the kidnapping learned: you don't mess with mary quin. >> quin: i just took another step closer to him and put my foot down on his head and that just gave me some leverage. >> whitaker: so you wrestled the gun away from him? >> quin: yes, and said some things that we won't repeat on television. >> whitaker: whadi >> quin: it was casting aspersions on his mother, i'll put it that way. >> i'm steve kroft. >> i'm leslie stahl. >> i'm bill whitaker. >> i'm anderson cooper. >> i'm scott pelley. those stories tonight, on "60 minutes." businesses. >> good evening. on friday the labor department is expected to announce a gain of 171,000 jobs for september. ford, gold medal -- g.m. and toyota are among the automakers reporting sales. and a 1910honus wagner baseball card sold for a record $3.12 million. i'm reena ninan, cbs news. don't let dust and allergens get between you and life'
. >> whitaker: how many kidnappers were there? >> quin: about 18. >> whitaker: how mary quin survived is a story in itself. and so is what the terrorist behind the kidnapping learned: you don't mess with mary quin. >> quin: i just took another step closer to him and put my foot down on his head and that just gave me some leverage. >> whitaker: so you wrestled the gun away from him? >> quin: yes, and said some things that we won't repeat on television....
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. >> whitaker: how many kidnappers were there? >> quin: about 18. >> whitaker: how mary quin survived is a story in itself. and so is what the terrorist behind the kidnapping learned: you don't mess with mary quin. >> quin: i just took another step closer to him and put my foot down on his head and that just gave me some leverage. >> whitaker: so you wrestled the gun away from him? >> quin: yes, and said some things that we won't repeat on television.
. >> whitaker: how many kidnappers were there? >> quin: about 18. >> whitaker: how mary quin survived is a story in itself. and so is what the terrorist behind the kidnapping learned: you don't mess with mary quin. >> quin: i just took another step closer to him and put my foot down on his head and that just gave me some leverage. >> whitaker: so you wrestled the gun away from him? >> quin: yes, and said some things that we won't repeat on television.
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. >> whitaker: how many kidnappers were there? >> quin: about 18. >> whitaker: how mary quin survived is a story in itself. and so is what the terrorist behind the kidnapping learned: you don't mess with mary quin. >> quin: i just took another step closer to him and put my foot down on his head and that just gave me some leverage. >> whitaker: so you wrestled the gun away from him? >> quin: yes, and said some things that we won't repeat on television. >> whitaker: whadi >> quin: it was casting aspersions on his mother, i'll put it that way. >> i'm steve kroft. >> i'm leslie stahl. >> i'm bill whitaker. >> i'm anderson cooper. >> i'm scott pelley. those stories tonight, on "60 minutes."
. >> whitaker: how many kidnappers were there? >> quin: about 18. >> whitaker: how mary quin survived is a story in itself. and so is what the terrorist behind the kidnapping learned: you don't mess with mary quin. >> quin: i just took another step closer to him and put my foot down on his head and that just gave me some leverage. >> whitaker: so you wrestled the gun away from him? >> quin: yes, and said some things that we won't repeat on television....
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. >> whitaker: they're called social media influencers. mostly 20-somethings who are getting paid millions of dollars to influence their followers on platforms like facebook, instagram and snapchat. they've been viewed billions of times. people like kim kardashian becoming significant forces in advertising. often posting pictures from every day life. you've turned you into an empire worth in excess of $100 million, i've read. >> i would think that has to involve some kind of talent. ( laughs ) you know? >> i'm steve kroft. >> i'm leslie stahl. >> i'm bill whitaker. >> i'm armen keteyian.
. >> whitaker: they're called social media influencers. mostly 20-somethings who are getting paid millions of dollars to influence their followers on platforms like facebook, instagram and snapchat. they've been viewed billions of times. people like kim kardashian becoming significant forces in advertising. often posting pictures from every day life. you've turned you into an empire worth in excess of $100 million, i've read. >> i would think that has to involve some kind of talent....
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. >> whitaker: donald trump has made it one of his biggest campaign issues: claiming syrians are coming into this country with no system to vet them. and with the rage of war, fearing isis will strike here in homeland, he's not alone. a majority of u.s. governors has called for a halt to the president's refugee program. we went to see for ourselves who these syrian refugees are and what kind of vetting they go through to get here. >> cooper: people would ask you? >> michael meeropol: oh, yeah, "are you related to those two >> cooper: hated yourself because you were... >> michael meeropol: i was denying... i was too scared to admit that my parents were my parents. >> cooper: being the rosenberg's children in 1950 was almost like being osama bin laden's kids here after 9/11. their parents were convicted and executed for being two of the most damaging spies ever. so why are the children speaking out now? because they have a message for president obama. >> i'm steve kroft. >> i'm leslie stahl. >> i'm bill whitaker. >> i'm anderson cooper. >> i'm scott pelley. those stories, tonight on "60 m
. >> whitaker: donald trump has made it one of his biggest campaign issues: claiming syrians are coming into this country with no system to vet them. and with the rage of war, fearing isis will strike here in homeland, he's not alone. a majority of u.s. governors has called for a halt to the president's refugee program. we went to see for ourselves who these syrian refugees are and what kind of vetting they go through to get here. >> cooper: people would ask you? >> michael...
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. >> whitaker: they're called social media influencers. mostly 20-somethings who are getting paid millions of dollars to influence their followers on platforms like facebook, instagram and snapchat. they've been viewed billions of people like kim kardashian becoming significant forces in advertising. often posting pictures from every day life. you've turned you into an empire worth in excess of $100 million, i've read. >> i would think that has to involve some kind of talent. ( laughs ) you know? >> i'm steve kroft. >> i'm leslie stahl. >> i'm bill whitaker. >> i'm armen keteyian. >> i'm scott pelley. minutes." >> cbs money watch sponsored by american express open. proud supporter of growing businesses. >> good evening. at&t's $85 billion purchase of time warner announced last night now faces the scrutiny of federal regulators. apple, general motors and
. >> whitaker: they're called social media influencers. mostly 20-somethings who are getting paid millions of dollars to influence their followers on platforms like facebook, instagram and snapchat. they've been viewed billions of people like kim kardashian becoming significant forces in advertising. often posting pictures from every day life. you've turned you into an empire worth in excess of $100 million, i've read. >> i would think that has to involve some kind of talent. (...
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have asked for political asylum in budapest because they have then announced as a spy during the up whitaker chambers algeria securing as i am sure you recall that episode that shattered noel field double life as a kgb agent but the first question that mrs. fields asked my mother was what happened to little girls? because my sister and i were part of the coverage of our parents are restive because it was unusual even with soviet standards in particular as an act of cruelty to take both the mother and father with little kids involved. mrs. fields was aware of that because of the front-page picture of less. my father's impression of herta was that after their brutality of prison she was stronger than noel field and she would keep them together . of course, the leverage from the kgb files and the transcripts because they were filed every very even after they were freed and in the hospital. and to read the transcripts was painful because they whisper to each other and they are never alone antisense he just wants to die she says no. that is the enemy is that is what they want you to do. do not gi
have asked for political asylum in budapest because they have then announced as a spy during the up whitaker chambers algeria securing as i am sure you recall that episode that shattered noel field double life as a kgb agent but the first question that mrs. fields asked my mother was what happened to little girls? because my sister and i were part of the coverage of our parents are restive because it was unusual even with soviet standards in particular as an act of cruelty to take both the...
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whitaker was born a girl but identifies as a boy. monday's ruling is the third loss in federal court for the school district. 3 looking ahead this morning... kindercare's 4th annual fundraiser to prevent child abuse... kicks off today at 11 a-m. it will be at buffalo wild wings on highway 100. bernie brewer and the racing sausages will be there.there will also be raffles and drawings.it runs until 10 tonight. the milwaukee brewers have a big announcement... and it's coming today. today.the organization plans to release details at 10 this morning... about an ?upgrade? to the miller park fan experience.they're calling this the ?most comprehensive project? since the ballpark opened back in 2001.the announcement is happening right on the field.cbs 58 will be there.look for an update on the cbs 58 "news at noon." cbs 58 is hosting "conversations with komen" today. anyone with questions about breast health and breast cancer is invited to call our experts with "susan g. komen" will be on hand to answer any question or concerns-- no matter h
whitaker was born a girl but identifies as a boy. monday's ruling is the third loss in federal court for the school district. 3 looking ahead this morning... kindercare's 4th annual fundraiser to prevent child abuse... kicks off today at 11 a-m. it will be at buffalo wild wings on highway 100. bernie brewer and the racing sausages will be there.there will also be raffles and drawings.it runs until 10 tonight. the milwaukee brewers have a big announcement... and it's coming today. today.the...
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. >> whitaker: donald trump has made it one of his biggest campaign issues: claiming syrians are coming into this country with no system to vet them. and with the rage of war, fearing isis will strike here in homeland, he's not alone. a majority of u.s. governors has called for a halt to the president's refugee program. we went to see for ourselves who these syrian refugees are and what kind of vetting they go through to get here. >> cooper: people would ask you? >> michael meeropol: oh, yeah, "are you related to those two
. >> whitaker: donald trump has made it one of his biggest campaign issues: claiming syrians are coming into this country with no system to vet them. and with the rage of war, fearing isis will strike here in homeland, he's not alone. a majority of u.s. governors has called for a halt to the president's refugee program. we went to see for ourselves who these syrian refugees are and what kind of vetting they go through to get here. >> cooper: people would ask you? >> michael...
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. >> whitaker: donald trump has made it one of his biggest campaign issues: claiming syrians are coming into this country with no system to vet them. and with the rage of war, fearing isis will strike here in homeland, he's not alone. a majority of u.s. governors has called for a halt to the president's refugee program. we went to see for ourselves who these syrian refugees are and what kind of vetting they go through to get here. >> cooper: people would ask you? >> michael meeropol: oh, yeah, "are you related to those two
. >> whitaker: donald trump has made it one of his biggest campaign issues: claiming syrians are coming into this country with no system to vet them. and with the rage of war, fearing isis will strike here in homeland, he's not alone. a majority of u.s. governors has called for a halt to the president's refugee program. we went to see for ourselves who these syrian refugees are and what kind of vetting they go through to get here. >> cooper: people would ask you? >> michael...
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bill whitaker takes a closer ? ? >> if you find yourself dumbfounded by the notion that 21-year-old logan paul could become a millionaire with goofy online videos look this, then, you are probably not a millenial. it is easy, just dance. >> reporter: his no budget low cell phone camera have attracted 30 million followers on all his platform. more than either donald trump or hillary clinton. they're drawn to his boyish charm and slapstick humor. >> slapstick with a sense of wit, fun, high energy. >> reporter: that is your schtick. >> yeah. >> reporter: and he has turned it into advertising gold. promoting products to his online followers. >> bick it up. >> by mining online data, advertisers kn h their most coveted demographic. young people. he has been such a successful pitchman, he was featured on the cover of ad week. >> the biggest companies in the world and brands have come to me to help sell their products to -- the younger generation. when i speak the language of millenials and they respond to my content. >> rep
bill whitaker takes a closer ? ? >> if you find yourself dumbfounded by the notion that 21-year-old logan paul could become a millionaire with goofy online videos look this, then, you are probably not a millenial. it is easy, just dance. >> reporter: his no budget low cell phone camera have attracted 30 million followers on all his platform. more than either donald trump or hillary clinton. they're drawn to his boyish charm and slapstick humor. >> slapstick with a sense of...