all right. [ laughter ] this book is incredibly important to me because i am white america. t? i'm default white american. are you a white guy. i don't see race. could you tell me you abwhite -- >> i come from smalltown iowa. it gets no whiter than that. >> stephen: what is the state of white america, sir? >> we've got a problem. >> stephen: okay. who is the problem? who can we blame. >> just about everybody. we've got problems at the top and the bottom as well. the short story is this: we have developed classes in this country that are different in kind from anything we've ever known before if this keeps on america is not going to be the america we knew. >> stephen: what are the two different classes. just talk about white people, please. >> we're talking about nothing but white people. >> stephen: my kind of book. [ laughter ] >> first an upper class. it's increasingly isolated from and ignorant about mainstream america and you've got a new lower class that is dying away from all kinds of institutions that used to be central to the way that america functioned. >> stephen: w

he can represent the best of black america, the best of white america. sents the best of america. and american aspirations and american possibility and that's what we see with howard and all over this country. we see the best of america coming forward. we should have a good conversation on race and power, power too, not just race. it's power. the gun is power. but it's an opportunity for us and i think we're moving in that direction. >> sis afis, i see obama as sis afis in the first four years and nobody would speak about the size of the rock or the elevation of the hill. all you hear people talk about is what he didn't do to come from what he has asked to take over and do in the time to behave as an american, to put up with those who were in my estimation acting very un-american, to get rid of those people, it took longer than patience should allow. but he tried to bring us together. even to argue with radio hosts and people who have nothing to do with anything. it's important that this man has had to fight similar battle of a black person in a position

to make sure that america stays white enough. to keep the number of non-white people in america low? that's why we need immigration reform. that's what's motivating these bills. you know, what they call minority/majority. how many nations have gone through a transition like that, peacefully or carefully? it's theoretically possible, but we don't have any examples. if that kind of reasoning, that the country might not be white enough unless we act to keep it that way, if that kind of reasoning sounds a little familiar to you, it's because a group called public enemy did a whole record about it in 1990. >> where is public enemy? >> what's the deal? >> what's your latest hit, brother? >> fear of a black planet. >> do not believe that this is hype. the guy who with kris kobach wrote the papers, please, law that is before the supreme court today which mitt romney says should be a model for the nation explains that the justification for anti-immigrant laws like the ones he wrote, the justification is maintaining an adequate proportion

we are not black america, white america, we're the united states of america.ning -- the democrats are running the most divisive campaign on race. on ethnicity. on class and on gender. i mean, it's going to be the dirtiest campaign have you ever seen. >> bill: i think so. >> i would say hide the children and check the plumbing because you're going to have to shower several times a day. >> bill: if you are mitt romney, how do you do that? now, there is a few ways. you can do it the factor way. we did it last night. with bernie goldberg. you take the absurdity of what that woman said, and you say, look, that's right, i don't want -- i want to take votes away from women and blacks. how insane is that directly straight up. that empowers the people making the sciolous charges. so you have got to watch it there or you can have your surrogates do it. i mean, how do you think romney should handle it? you could have surrogates or romney do it. i think romney can stand up and say look at what they are throwing at me. do you really think i don't want women to vote? i don'

now, he helped to bridge that whole gap of bringing r&b and soul music into the living rooms of white america>> when i first saw my record, it was the first time i saw whi kids dance to go my record on band stand. could i not believe what i was seeing. because, yyou know, it was just -- and band is an wis an fr all artists. elvis presley, chubby check, black, white, whatever, band stand helped to integrate the country in so many ways. he was the pioneer. and i was so lthrilled him to call him my wonderful, wonderful friend. >> let me ask you, you hear barry that the whole world -- speaking with such passion. the sense of the importance of dick clark in american cultural history and world history could be overstated. >> well, that's right. i don't think i feel like i can do much more than just gloss what barry gordy said. but look at the impact. i mean, putting forward these artists as barry gordy described. he was a kind of wedge figure in a way. people talk about there was this kind of white bread quality to american bandstand, but that's really missings larger point. introducing these peopl

overall the support among white america has gone down from 43% in 2008 down again to the high 30s.d overwhelmingly support not only among blacks but hispanics, asians. overwhelming. >> sean: we don't know that. we know this, that gallup has romney up by five. fox news poll has romney up by two. rasmussen up by three. >> there is a racial angle. let me interrupt you. >> sean: there is not a racial ange to this. >> i'm telling you it exists in the polls you cite there that has romney up, what they're doing is they are mimicking the electorate that existed in 2010 when the tea party folks had energized electorate and showed up at the poll. there was a lower percentage of african-americans and hispanics in the electorate. it wasn't the 2008 electorate and according to the obama campaign it won't be the '12 electorate. >> sean: i don't like this narrative at all. but there is an underlying tone to what you are saying; that is, that this country which elected barack obama in 2008 and i would argue ignored a whole host of evidence that a few of us were trying to warn about that has since

playing the racial injustices of the past. >> it is an overwhelming situation in terps of black and white americatally different than civil rights and the narrative is so familiar people put things in that narrative and they want it to be a kind of injustice that took place 50 years ago. it is not. it is uation where you have today to my mind a horrific situation in florida in which a young black man. he had iced tea and hoody and this guy views him suspicious. i don't know it approximate it is racial. he refused to follow the directions from the 911 operator. people fear for my children. what if my kid is seen that way and ends up with a tragic death. you look at the kind of images that young black people today. pants down and this is all a jailhouse fashion and no one said about the fact that half of the murder united states are of black people and 90 percent of them committed by other black people. what is the carnage in chicago, philadelphia and detroit, every day of the week and no one has a march for them it is outrageous. and people talk about the bad schools. where are the marches against

we are not black america, white america, we're the united states of america.unning -- the democrats are running the most divisive campaign on race. on ethnicity. on class and on gender. i mean, it's going to be the dirtiest campaign have you ever seen. >> bill: i think so. >> i would say hide the children and check the plumbing because you're going to have to shower several times a day. >> bill: if you are mitt romney, how do you do that? now, there is a few ways. you can do it the factor way. we did it last night. with bernie goldberg. you take the absurdity of what that woman said, and you say, look, that's right, i don't want -- i want to take votes away from women and blacks. how insane is that directly straight up. that empowers the people making the sciolous charges. so you have got to watch it there or you can have your surrogates do it. i mean, how do you think romney should handle it? you could have surrogates or romney do it. i think romney can stand up and say look at what they are throwing at me. do you really think i don't want women to vote? i do

that each of those worlds has a terrible story about the other, so jamie told one story about white america the corner and think they're socio papaths, then the look at the guys who don't care what's going on, and it turns out you do almost a post apartheid reconciliation. you can say, we can't do anything about that history, but none of us like what's going on, none of us want to keep on doing this, we have to find a way to move forward. again, on the stuff that i work on, which is people carrying guns, people taking over public space and selling drugs, the cops don't like it, the neighborhood doesn't like it. it turns out the guys on the corner don't like it, and you can do reconciliation work. we are working in communities that hate the police, that won't snitch, that won't testify, and three months after we start this kind of brokering process, they're in the same place, they want the same thing. the drug markets are going away, the guys with the guns have calmed down. it's amazing. >> we're going to take a break. welcome back to talk about how we take the little oasis of light represen

explain. >> well, you know, it's such an overwhelming situation today in terms of black and white america. but if you look at it, it's totally different than the civil rights history. because the narrative is so familiar to so many people, people try to fit things into the narrative is want to make this the kind of in just tis that took place 50 years ago. it is not. it is about a situation that you have today, to my mind, a horrific situation down in florida in which a young black man, a guy with ice tea and skit else is work along and this guy views him as suspicious. i don't know if it's racial. but refused to follow instructions from a 911 operator. so i think people fear for their children, white, black, hispanic, what if my kid is seen in this way and it ends up in his detect. but the larger issue is you look at the images of black people today, the pants down, it's jailhouse fashion. nobody says a word about it. nobody says about the fact that almost half of the murders in the united states are of black people anded 0% are committed by other black people. what is this carnage in th

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. >> we want a white america!istically most skin heads got into it because they thought there was going to be this huge racial holy war that, we were all going to take up arms and die in glory on the field of battle. a lot of skinheads even to this day still believe that crap. >> a lot of it's brain washing. you can convince any street kid that the black man has been keeping them down. the jews, they control the media and they are in a conspiracy to overthrow the world. you can convince any kid of that. and that's what they do. >> the white race is literally surrounded by non-white hordes who want to pour over our walls, murder and rape your children, kill your wife, rape your freaking daughters. are we going to stand for that, people? >> no! >> this whole "we hate minorities because they're destroying our culture" it's all just a good tag for skinheads to be [ expletive ] heads and beat up anybody they want. the longest i did in jail in one sitting was a year. that was for beating up a mexican up in hamilton coun

>>juan: well, such an overwhelming situation today in terms of black and white america, but, if you look different than the civil right high school but because the narrative is so familiar to so many people, people try to fit things into the narrative and they want to make the trayvon martin case into the case of injustice from years ago but it is a situation today you have a horrific situation down in florida where a young black many, guy with ice tea and skittles walking along and this guy views him as suspicious, i don't me if it and available. he refused to follow instructions from the 9-1-1 operator so people fear for their children, black, white, hispanic. what if my kid is seen this way and ends up in a death. but the larger point for me is this: you look look at the kind of images of kids pants down, do rags and no one says a word, no one says a word about the fact that half of the murders in the united states are of black people and 90 percent of them are committed by other black people. what is this carnage in chicago, philadelphia, detroit? every day. it is outrageous but no o

benjamin the author of the book "searching for utopia, improbable journey to the heart of white americahave been criticizing people who convict george zimmerman on tv. i'm sure you know that all right? you convicted him in print. of cold blooded murder. don't you have any hesitation? don't you see that that is not right? >> well, bill, for me to write that statement, i tried to put myself in the shoes of trayvon martin. now, you and i are adults. trayvon martin was a 17-year-old. imagine yourself, you are just talking to your girlfriend. you are on a candy run. suddenly an adult comes up to you. now this adult has no badge. he has no uniform. he could be on drugs for all trayvon knows and then suddenly an altercation starts. so the end result of that is that trayvon unfortunately was murdered in cold blood. >> bill: if you would have written that i wouldn't have any problem. okay? except for the last part murdered in cold blood. you who weren't there, okay? have just convicted zimmerman. you weren't there. you don't know what happened. now we have the federal agency and we have the stat

whatever hoods we wear, sagging pants become the forelower of american racism because it signifies to white americathis is a hood, this is a thug and the suspicion cast not only on trayvon martin. look at the president of the united states of america. he went to harvard, he's the president. look at the ready-- the steady stream of racism-- >> john brewer. >> the stereotypes that prevail. right. i'm afraid of him. he's a moron. he's an orangutan, he's an animal. >> we see when george zimmerman is talking to the 9/11 operator, he's threatening, he's on drugs, he's got his mands his pant, err go, he's got a gun. and see theconsider constantly, young black men are used as threatening, something to be feared, on drugs, out of their mind. they are they're dehumanized quickly, and this is profiling, which was note right away. it's mistaken identity in that you're mistake an innocent person for a criminal. >> absolutely. that's america's history. in sanford, the history, there has been a lot of suspicion by the minority community in sanford toward the police department. a couple of years ago, a homeless bl

>> well, you know, such an overwhelming situation today in terms of black and white america but if you look at it, it is totally different than the civil rights history and yet because the ney rative is so familiar to so many people, people keep trying to fit things into the narrative and want to make the trayvon martin case into an exemplar of the placef justice that took 50 50 years ago. it is not. it as horrific situation down in florida in which a young black man with ice tee and skittles is walking along in his hoodie and this guy views him as suspicious. i don't know if it is racial. refused to follow instructions from a 911 operator. i think people fear for their children, black, white, hispanic what if my kid is seen this way and it ends up in this kid's tragic death. the larger point is this. you look at the kind of images of young black people on tv today. the participants down. the do rag. nobody says a ward about it. about the fact that almost halftime of the murders in the united states are of black people and 90% are committed by other black people. what is the carnage in

>> well, you know, such an overwhelming situation today in terms of black and white america but if yout is totally different than the civil rights history and yet because the ney rative is so familiar to so many people, people keep trying to fit things into the narrative and want to make the trayvon martin case into an exemplar of the placef justice that took 50 50 years ago. it is not. it as horrific situation down in florida in which a young black man with ice tee and skittles is walking along in his hoodie and this guy views him as suspicious. i don't know if it is racial. refused to follow instructions from a 911 operator. i think people fear for their children, black, white, hispanic what if my kid is seen this way and it ends up in this kid's tragic death. the larger point is this. you look at the kind of images of young black people on tv today. the participants down. the do rag. nobody says a ward about it. about the fact that almost halftime of the murders in the united states are of black people and 90% are committed by other black people. what is the carnage in the black com

white america. we're the united states of america. he's running -- the democrats are running the most divisive campaign on race, on ethnicity, on class and on gender. i mean, it's going to be the dirtiest campaign you've ever seen. >> i think so. >> i would say -- i would say hide the children. and check the plumbing because you're going to have to shower several times a day. >> oh, that's a good line. check the plumbing. you're going to have to shower. well, while the president has got his veto pen out, he might as well keep it out because later on today, the house is going to vote on a highway bill -- >> what's wrong with that? >> nothing. absolutely nothing. it's going to keep thousands of people building things for the united states. >> bridges and tunnels and highways and stuff like that. there's a problem. those pesky republicans are going to once again attach the keystone pipeline to this thing because the president says it has to go through the regular channels, i'm going to have to veto that again. sorry, folks. >> so once ag

has just written a whole bunch about the kind of split between the upper and lower classes among white america. >> rose: argue that the upper class has to do more, has to almost proselytize for things it believes in. >> that's right. >> rose: because the middle class is losing its ground. here is what brzezinski says, the united states central challenge over the next several decades is revitalize itself, revitalize itself while promote ago largest west and buttressing a complex balance in the east, a complex buttress in the east that can accommodate china's rising global status. don't we want to accommodate china's rising status? >> most do but not everybody. >> rose: most everybody does? >> yes. >> rose: all right. i thought most of what john merchant wrote amount was israel before israel he was on china. okay, successful u.s. effort to enlarge the west making its it the world's most stable and democratic zone, corporate west from europe through eurasia by embracing russia and turkey would enhance the appeal of the west core principles for other cultures thus the gradual emergence of a democr