so the white bison organization seems to be the one that is working the best. and dr. clark, i know that in csat, for example, a lot of special population clients go to mainstream programs, to nonspecialized programs. what kind of success are we seeing with that? well, the issue of cultural competence is really the important discussion point here. we do find that programs that are run by american indians, alaska natives, for american indians, alaska natives or programs that target hispanics, run by hispanics, tend to produce better outcomes than programs that are not sensitive to those issues. so we use sort of a bias force paradigm. there are programs that are not run by the specific population group, but have modules that are targeted to the unique needs of that group. so they do not as well as the programs that are run by the specific population group, but they do better than programs that are general. so when we look at the outcomes of, say, a woman in a male program or a general program that doesn't have any gender specific programming, she doesn't do as well as t