today, i'm in the white cube gallery in london as cultural life starts to re—establish itself after manyonths of lockdown, and my guests are the artistic duo gilbert and george. now, for five decades, they've been producing controversial, provocative work, and this exhibition they call new normal pictures. but is there anything normal about gilbert and george? gilbert and george, welcome, both of you, to hardtalk. thanks very much. very kind. very nice. we're sitting in this gallery space. this is your latest exhibition. it's called new normal pictures. is this your response to what the world has been through in the last year and more? that is, the covid pandemic and lockdown? no, not at all. the title of the show and the pictures predates the pandemic. we created the pictures before the pandemic. we only called it new normal because we were so interested that people in england use the term... what's the term they always use, gilbert? existentialism. and we wanted to find an english word for that, and so normalfor us would be the... so, this new normal of yours predates everything that's