he opened the white house up.o try to engage in a public conversation and tackle the issues that tarnished the republican party. the corruption of the administration when he said there would be civil-service reform. when he really pledges to pull pull the remaining troops out of the south. assuming that the governors, the government in new orleans and columbia will honor their commitment. he is trying to extend and knowledge -- i'll -- i'll of ranch to people. to people,anch saying, i hear you. help in thiscy effort? >> she understood how politics work and how to entertain. she understood how to facilitate conversation between people that were difficult. to reallytood how bring people at the table in a way that would advance her husband. she was charming and everybody loved her, despite the no alcohol. she was able to do things in a way that made him seem approachable and ethical and blunt. the first first lady to have have a college degree, and this was a time of change for women. all kinds of new devices, being

years in the white house. we have her bed and she was an invalid we have an invalid's chair n. this chair she could get up during the day and partake in some of her favorite activities and still relax. being an invalid spending most of her time in this room, this would have been necessary for what she suffered. there say wash base sin and chamber pot. hearse are pink and the president's are blue in his room. embroirdry work and she enjoyed reading poetry. one of the books was entitled the happy life. she and andrew suffered a lot during the civil war and during his presidency and one of the poems she mark sd entitled love and adversity. the stormy skies have drawn our spirits nearer and rendered us each to the other dearer. she was an avid scrapbooker and she kept a wonderful collection of newspaper articles she clipped about her husband. she gathered them here in her scrapbook and they run from the 1850's until past her and an due's death to the 1880's. we can only assume that one of her daughter's kept the t

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we know the president's attorney, the white house counsel, and the chief of staff in the white houseo the president, both did know earlier than what we were told, and we discovered that the white house was involved in working with the treasury to leak this story before the ig report. >> right. >> sean: i want to get both of your reactions to that. congressman jordan, we'll start with you. >> exactly right, sean. they were so calculating, they orchestrated the rollout, how they were going to break this story to the american people, because they knew the ig's report was coming. people at the white house, at the irs, are choreographing how to do, this but yet a year ago, two years ago, when it was all going on, the 132 members of congress inquire about it, 118 visits to the white house, numerous news reports, nobody knows anything. and yet when they have to actually present it, because now it's here, oh, they're choreographing, spinning, scheming how they're going do i. that causes the american people to say something's not right here. >> sean: chairman issa, did they lie when they said

>> less in this white house than many of the previous white houses.d like we said, one of grover cleveland's -- perhaps his biggest issue was tariff reform and she actually attends a senate debate and sitting in the gallery over his major piece of legislation on tariff reform. so it's one of the only pieces of direct evidence that we have of her in any involvement of current political influence. other than that, they're using the white house for very different things. she's able to improve his standing in d.c. just by standing next tom. he has the reputation of coming in the white house, he likes poker and hanging out with his guy friend and he likes smoking and hunting, fishing, drinking bourbon. and she socializes, civilizes him almost immediately and gives him some political cache but then you talk about how the white house is being used in the ways we talked about in terms of other first ladies, she's doing things like getting involved in copyright legislation to focus on intellectual property, that this is a woman's sphere in order to protect the

you'll have it at the white house.t them by 118 times? it doesn't add up. >> sean: he's there 157 times. hillary clinton 43 visits. tim geithner -- >> here's what's not plausible, okay? i don't believe that all 157 visits were devoted to crushing the tea party. but what's not believable -- maybe they were, we don't know -- but what's not believable is the idea that 1 of this -- keep awar in mind, the s was aware this was happening, months back, last year -- it was never discussed. the irs knew it had an explosive scandal on its hands, about to become public, and it was not discussed in the white house. are you serious? >> sean: the easter egg hunt, it's a cute, funny answer, but 157 times, borders on contempt of congress, especially considering the seriousness of what we're investigating here, leslie. >> i wouldn't disagree that it was being more than snarkey. it certainly wouldn't have been my response. four investigations going on. if there's a special independent counsel, i can't say shulman taking the foul, especia

was given to the white house in april? >> yes, the first time as we he said that any one heard about this at the white house is when the counsel's office of treasury department called to let us know there was an investigation that was coming to a conclusion. we didn't know the details of it. we didn't see the report. we had no facts at this point. just that an investigation was coming to a conclusion. >> chris: but you didn't know anything about the idea that the irs was targeting conservatives and even know that the ig was investigating them. >> we knew they were investigating the potential targeting of political group is. >> chris: you did know that? >> we knew that just a few weeks ago. >> chris: i'm saying before that. >> no one knew that. >> chris: here is the problem with that. because in the congressional hearing on friday the irs inspector general russell george said that he had talked to neal woland the deputy tressi secretary around june of 2012 in the the middle of the presidential campaign and told him that he

and the third question is, did it votch the white house -- did it involve the white house? was the white house involved in making it happen or condoning it? we don't have any evidence of that. gwen: we're going to circle back. there were two other big scandals we want to touch on lightly before we get to the full analysis. and the second was benghazi. the clash that just won't go away. who saw the attacks in libya coming? did the administration try to shift blame with laundered talking points? the president says it's all politics. >> the whole thing defies loig. and the fact that this keeps on getting churned out frankly has a lot to do with political motivations. if anybody out there wants to actually focus on how we make sure something like this does not happen again, i am happy to get their advice and information and counsel. gwen: hundreds of emails about the controversy were released this week. what did we learn from those, john? >> well, ok. where to begin? from john's point which is that the i.r.s. scandal has no connection to the white house. this is the controversy

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that's a very bad message for the white house, any white house, to be sending against our free pass. hers me. we had a sank moneyous lecture by your favorite attorney general eric holder in a house committee hearing about 10 days ago. hank johnson, a democrat of georgia, gave him a setup question about the ap so he could pont phi kat pontificate,d we would to focus on theof the e press. rosen is in 2010. holder is attorney general back then. did he recuse himself from that or did he authorize it or did the fbi violate these district doj guidelines that resident freedom of the press, respect the role of journalists by saying it's only in the most extraordinary of circumstances, and only with the highest test made possible, and only with an agreement by the attorney general, shall you ever do these kind of things involving journalists. >> sean: well said. now, there have been poll numbers, "washington post," abc news poll among them, coming out showing where the american public is on all these scandals, the impact it's having on the white house. you, as i understand it, have your infamo

the 94 pages of e-mails that were released by the white house late last night show that the white house was more deeply involved and earlier on in the crafting of the talking points than that statement you just played from jay carney indicated. at 6:48 p.m. on that fateful friday, september national security council spokesman tommy vietor, e-mailed the inneragency colleagues john brennan, white house counterterrorism aide, now cia director, will have edits. four minutes later he e-mailed brennan's edits deleting that the attackers hailed across, quote, from many sectors of libyan society. >> look, i'm a republican in the house. put it in context. i know people will do that but objectively the only thing that the white house spokesperson has is credibility. there is nobody at this point that believes the white house spokesperson, jay carney, that these were merely stylistic changes. the public was misled for weeks. >> reporter: in arguing that the talking points should be stripped of references to extremists and the group ansar al-sharia the state department's victoria nuland consistentl

the white house asked chuck schumer to reintroduce the shield back to limit the white house ability to interfere with news organizations or make reporters reveal their sources and today we found out about the attorney general does not know and varied little about what he does during testimony in front of the house judiciary committee. >> one of the compelling process from a media outlet is to give notice do you know, why that was not done ? >> there are exceptions to the rule i do not know with regard to this particular case why that was or was not done. i don't have a factual basis for that queetion. >> over the course of 24 hours obama masters lead changed its tune while trying to turn the direction of the threat that the scandals pose to the presidency. now to the benghazi e-mail's the white house had more than 100 pages of the males for the talking point* on did deadly attack and the document uniquely timed with the president's actions on the irs and for much more reid turn to fox business washington correspondent peter barnes. >> the white house and cia e-mail show how they came u

that is what we abided by and that is what the white house should do. i just want to say some reporting suggests and i think this is worth noting, suggest that given the awareness of the potential findings we should have done more. that could not be further from the right course of action. the cardinal rule is they said is you do not intervene in an independent investigation. you do not do anything that would give such an appearance particularly when the final conclusions as was the case here has not been reached and that is the doctrine we followed and the bottom line is sent this isn't just the most important fact that it is what we have said from the beginning. not just the white house or treasury did intervene in the inspector general's audit. i hope in anticipating this question and understanding there was confusion about it i hope that supplies the answers. >> if you could clarify a couple of things. someone was seen in the counsel's office. >> white house counsel cathy romer was notified on april 24. there was also a notification as part of a ser

and we just heard our own white house correspondent kristen welker asking jay carney, white house press spokesman, questions. we'll get to her later. >>> let's go straight to our panel. with us from washington, msnbc political analyst, and soon to be msnbc host, karen finney. in philadelphia, lehigh university professor, james peterson. karen, what is your reaction to this revelation that there were 12 versions which contained what have been described by members of the press as extensive changes to the talking points? >> i find it absolutely absurd and an obscene waste of time. i have to tell you, martin, having been a part of this kind of process where, i mean, and literally, i think as some our reporting earlier today indicated, we are talking about words were moved around. one case a sentence was taken out. not a sentence of consequence. when you have an it rative process, there are going to be changes. the bottom line is, i think this is what jay is getting to, did anything change that changes our understanding of what happened then and what we know that? i think the point jay has b

it made up something that the white house supposedly did, that the white house did not do. and they shot that false report to abc news and abc news bought it hook, line and sinker and published it as an exclusive and all of the beltway media and everyone under politics jumped. because now this finally seemed like a scandal. oh, that's what the right has been so upset about. but the scandal is part of it. this idea that the white house got in right after the benghazi attacks happened and started big footing the whole process to make sure that state department would look good. that's the scandal. that's what was supposedly this big bomb shell that abc broke on friday. that scandal that white house weighed in, in the talking points, to make the state department look good, that did not happen. that only happened in the cooked up dossier that republicans in congress wrote themselves, that they said was the work of the white house, and then they shocked it to the press. and yeah, part of the scandal here is a press scandal. you know what, when you get used like this and you publi

he opened the white house up.hey began to try to engage in a public conversation and tackle the issues that tarnished the republican party. the corruption of the administration when he said there would be civil-service reform. when he really pledges to pull pull the remaining troops out of the south. assuming that the governors, the government in new orleans and columbia will honor their commitment. he is trying to extend and knowledge -- i'll -- i'll of ranch to people. -- olive branch to people, saying, i hear you. >> how did lucy help in this effort? >> she understood how politics work and how to entertain. she understood how to facilitate conversation between people that were difficult. she understood how to really bring people at the table in a way that would advance her husband. she was charming and everybody loved her, despite the no alcohol. she was able to do things in a way that made him seem approachable and ethical and blunt. >> she was the first first lady to have have a college degree, and this was a

of the recent you would be at the white house? >> the easter egg roll with my kids. >> well, mr. shulman, you know what you can do with your easter egg hunt. you must explain under oath what you were doing at the white house on 157 separate occasions. while many americans don't seem to understand the seriousness of the irs situation. those who love the country do. you cannot have an agency that has the power to put americans in prison to take their plon to literally ruin their lives. persecuting people for political reasons. that's what they do in china. that's what they do in cuba. we do not do that here. the president of the united states should explain tomorrow what mr. shulman was doing at the white house all those times. and any federal employee involved in helping that man shulman target americans should be immediately fired and prosecuted. talking points also calls upon the democratic party to stop the nonsense. this is serious business. there is no way on earth this shulman should not have to explain in detail what he did

at the white house, another story rocking d.c., reporters asking the president, did anybody at the white house know that the irs was targeting conservative groups? it's kind of an important question. did anybody know at the white house that the irs was targeting conserve conservative groups? we need an answer, the way president obama is answering is raising new questions. >>> devastation in reports of northern texas. deadly tornadoes destroyed homes and right now there are big fears that people may still be trapped under tons of debris. we have live breaking news coverage. coming up next on "studio b." >>> breaking today, another controversy for the obama administration. this one concerning national security. the justice department's office of the inspector general released a report, and that report indicates that the witness security program was unable to locate a number of known or suspected terrorist. the spin spector general's office is responsible for keeping tab on thity department but now the justice department is pushing back, claim nothing one is missing. no threat to the public

emails raise a number of questions, but already appear on their face to contradict statements by white house press secretary jay carney. here's one of them. >> the only edits paid by anyone at the house were stylistic, nonsubstantive. they corrected the description of the building where the facility in benghazi from consulate to diplomatic facility and the like. >> in fact, fairly early in the process, at 6:52 p.m. on september 14, john brennan, then a white house staffer, now director of cia, passed along his changes, including striking a line about the intruders having hailed from across many sectors of libyan society. on september 18th, carney said this at the white house. >> our initial information -- and that includes all information, we saw no evidence to back up claims by others that this was a preplanned or premeditated attack. >> no evidence. in fact, the cia's early draft of the talking points stated, quote, we do know that islamic extremists with ties to al-qaeda participated in the attack. that language survived for about five hours. by 4:42 p.m. on the 14th, however, al-qaeda, a

at the white house? our first lady's staff at this point in the process? >> there was a social secretary and. initially the ladies get together and fill the blanks for invitation. it was, you know, president and mrs. grant and the hon. blank blank. there friends would come over for a two-party and it would fill out the banks usually. she had the housekeeper. the one who travel to europe with her. >> i think so. >> there were very close. she called him a most excellent man. i daresay she helped with some of that, but most of the social duties, there might be a clerk from the office that would help, but there was no social staff until mrs. theodore roosevelt. >> here is a question about their days preceding coming to the white house. he wants to know, grant's family was often closed by during the war in washington d.c. in julia have a present in washington before the election? >> i would say yes. >> yes. actually, because grant was still head of the army after the war. and then for a short while in turn se

55% said no, the white house did not order it.se in combination, i want to ask you what your answer to those questions are. number one, i know you do believe that the white house deliberately misled americans on benghazi. >> well, you know, i think what's more important than either whether i believe that or whether the polls show that, it's that somebody be held accountable. and not so much for the talking points afterwards. i think there was some misdirection and some political nature to the talking points, but i think that's always missed the point that what's most important is someone made a decision to put an embassy and consulate in a war-torn country with no host country to guard that embassy or consulate, leaving the guarding and security up to a militia. that decision alone was a terrible and tragic error. and that's what needs to change. the review board looked at benghazi, but still no one is saying what i keep saying over and over again even now i think the embassy in tripoli should be under the guard of military comman

. >> well is gossip and angst with the staffers in the white house.is up to the chief of staff and i think he is doing a good job at this. keep the staff focused and not distracted by the investigations that are taking place. but he has the responsibility to make sure everyone cooperates with the investigations consistent with the separation of powers article 1 and 2 and that is up to the white house counsel to offer guidance to that. it is a tense time. there is a lot of rumors and innuendo and coffee talk. but they should focus on their job. the president has 24 two- year terms. and the responsibility. >> let me jump in. >> i hear you and let me ask you in the short time we have left. we hear over and over again, that the president learned about the irs scandal from the news report and didn't know about the justice department probe on the ap and the cover up with the y soy -- cia and doesn't this raise questions about his comp tense in leadership. >> it raises questions for me certainly. i suspect they anyhow -- about all of those things. they would

she's over at the white house.esident's done, we'll get reaction from congressman darrell issa. here's the president. >> good afternoon, everybody. i just finished speaking with secretary lew and senior officials at the treasury department to discuss the investigation into irs personnel who improperly screened conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status. i look forward to taking some questions at tomorrow's press conference, but today i wanted to make sure to get out to all of you some information about what we're doing about this, and where we go from here. i've reviewed the treasury department watchdog's report, and the misconduct that it uncovered is inexcusable. it's inexcusable, and americans have a right to be angry about it, and i am angry about it. i will not tolerate this kind of behavior in any agency, but especially in the irs. given the power that it has, and the reach that it has in all of our lives. and as i said earlier, it should not matter what political stripe you're from, the fact of the m

the white house? everything that happened today. >> the president said he was outraged last week by the irs scandal. is he outraged then that lois lerner is taking the fifth? >> bill: white house pounded over the irs scandal. we will show you what happened to jay carney. >> i don't think obama had anything to do with it you know, maybe he didn't. sometimes things go wrong. >> bi

now that helps the white house. on the flip side, there is still fodder in all these e-mails for the critics. for example, there is an e-mail as i first reported on friday that the state department took issue with the fact that the attack was blamed on an al qaeda affiliate. state department did not want that out. and that came out of the final version of the talking points. no doubt critics will hold that up to say that was politically motivated. now i should point out that cia director, we're told, the cia deputy director agreed with that change. so bottom line, erin, there's plenty in these e-mails for both sides to make their case which means this issue isn't going to go away any time soon. >> no, absolutely. and, of course, john boehner has already requested more data. on that note, dana, speaker boehner's office, i'm just looking at the note here from a spokesman brendan buck that we received, right, saying we hope this limited release of documents is a sign of more cooperation to come. they want a lot more in

on the white house. francis became a celebrity overnight. was used widely in advertising, without her consent. monday, we get a closer look at frances cleveland. our website has more about the first lady's including including a special section, welcome to the white house. it chronicles life in the executive mansion during the tenure of each of the first ladies and we are all spring a special edition of the book " first ladies of the united states of america," comments from noted historians, and thoughts from michelle obama on , nowole of first of ladies identified -- now available for $12.95 less shipping. -- plus shipping. >> c-span, created in 1979, brought you as a public service by your television provider. click c-span talked with members of fema as they walked through a neighborhood of oklahoma, registering homeowners for federal assistance affect it by the tornado. you will hear from two members of the team as they talk about the process which includes the ability to register applicants on site vi

he came to the white house once and it was in december 2008.ief of staff, he was a political appointee and got a chance to meet with president bush. the reason he was appointee, five-year term. they cross terms of presidents. there was a requirement by the senate democrats there has to be somebody there. >> bob: democratic too. >> dana: but not a bush appointee so the question is, if you go to the white house 157 times and 50% of those meetings are talking about obamacare, what do you think america is thinking that the other 50% of the meetings. easter egg roll comes around once a year. >> andrea: although, i will on this one, it's very odd. double the amount of time than hillary clinton came to the white house. without everybody saying nobody knewing in nig about benghazi it's believable. healthcare is such a mess and first time that any agency is undertaking this effort to make certain tax papers and guidelines for every individual. i can see see how there would be a lot of meetings. this seems uncharacteristic. the lawsuits that jay seculo h

weight there is a danger. >> that's what i'm saying is he going to change and when he goes to the white houseer the same fate that al roker suffered when he went to the house. i'm worried. >> what do you mean by that by the way? no we're going to come back and we're not going to explain it we will have move more with gutfeld and mcguirk colorful use that word gently fin pinheads of the week segment. factor is coming right back. >> bill: back of the book segment tonight. the pinhead hsed of week and we begin with bernard who has chosen former new mexico governor bill richardson talking about texas senator ted cruz. >> i'm not a fan. i know he is sort of the republican latest flavor. antiimmigration. almost every hispanic in the country wants to see immigration reform. no, i don't think he should be defined as a hispanic. he is a politician from texas. >> that was a misunderstanding. i said that he shouldn't be defined as a hispanic. i'm a hispanic and i don't define myself just as hispanic. that was misinterpreted. >> bill: and you say? >> he has been a go-to guy for things hispanic. chairman

jay leno has that answer. >> the white house -- the white house has admitted that president obama's chief was targeting conservative groups but never told the president. president obama says the first time he heard about the irs scandal, and the ap phone records scandal, first time he heard about it was from the media. that's why president obama holds press conferences, not to explain what is going on, to find out a

the white house put an end to the e-mail chain. none of that is on the record or in print. >> chuck todd at the white house on a friday night. chuck, thanks. we want to let you know there will be much more on all of this -- benghazi in particular -- on "meet the press" this sunday morning. david gregory's guests include darrell issa and dianne feinstein sunday on this nbc station. >>> in bangladesh an incredible ray of hope 17 days after a building collapse left more than a thousand garment workers dead. just about everybody had given up hope that anyone else would be found alive there. but today in the ruins of one of the worst industrial accidents in history, it happened. nbc's ian williams has our story. >> reporter: it was a stunning moment. a young woman pulled alive from the rubble after more than two weeks. the day began much differently with the grim work of recovering the dead. more than a thousand as of this morning. then workers heard tapping on a steel pipe and a faint cry. "i'm alive, please save me." bulldozers and he

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not only does the white house say they were oblivious to the white house policies that were unfairly targeting conservingative groups, but a white house senior adviser says when the white house put a bull's-eye on parties with tea party or conservative groups, it may not have been political at all. >> look at what the inspector general said in their report and to congress on friday. 1; there is no evidence of outside influence, other than this came directly from the irs. and 2; this was not based on politically motivation. >> the house chairman thinks much, much differently than the white house advisers. this morgue, he said, not only was the irs giving the conservative groups unfair scrutiny, but they were leaking private tax information to the public -- also for political reasons. ryan is promising to figure out whose idea that was when who at the white house could have possibly known. >> we are going to continue to get to the bottom of this -- who knew? when did they know? why did they do this? how up in government did it go? people have no trust that their government is impartial

the obama white house sees every event as a political event.uld not tolerate the idea that the armed assault on the benghazi consulate was a premeditated act of islamist terrorism. that would carry a whole world of unhappy political implications and demand certain actions, and the american presidential election was only eight weeks away. they wanted this problem to go away, or at least to bleed the meaning from it." governor, why is that not a convincing way to analyze benghazi? >> no, i think that's right. i think the obama white house wanted to spin this in the least damaging way possible. but i think you made a very good point when you said, look, let's look at what happened that led to the deaths of the american people. i think this spin post-incident, the american people aren't going to give two hoots about it. they're going to think it's the usual political parties pointing the finger at each other playing the blame game. i do think it's a legitimate inquiry to why the system broke down, why the warning signals that were sent weren't resp

officials before what the white house is saying?we don't know the answer to that. this is just the beginning of this investigation. remember the inspector just did an audit, not an investigation, like emails and things like that. the inspector general told us at the hearing they're in the midst of an investigation. what we received the other day is an audit which revealed they misled congress, targeting people and their political beliefs. we have credible evidence that donors were harassed and intimidated. the point is we don't know the answer to that. >> chris: what's the difference between an audit and an investigation? what are you saying they've done, what are you saying they haven't done? >> an audit is a measurement of behavior, what actually occurred. an investigation, they didn't look at emails, didn't look at intent, who was in the chain of information. so none of that information has been acquired yet. that's what the ig is doing now. that's what our congressional overseers are doing now as well. all we have is a simple au

so, attention white house, release all the e-mails. house republicans are getting their chance to put the president and his cabinet in the hot seat. one-third of all house committees are now focused on investigating the obama administration in some form. first up the attorney general eric holder who testifies on the hill at 1:00 about the ap investigation and irs. michael isakoff joins me now and michael, the part of this is eric holder had a lot to say about the decision and defenned the decision about how it went about, this leak investigation and at the same time, saying he recused himself, just seemed that's an easy way out of the controversy. >> sure, on the one hand, it allows himself to distance himself from all this, but look, the idea that people in the white house don't know about these leak investigations and are sort of walled off for them is just not consistent with the facts because they're directly involved in the investigations among those we know who had been interviewed by the fbi as part of this leak investigation is

and they'll never win the white house.on't win the white house for several elections because again, it's an ex-stensial crisis. >> they get a chance to augment the bill if they can convince a majority of their colleagues to enter an amendment or what have you. i think that could be a process by which it gives the right some ability to blow off some steam without killing the bill. but look, exhibit a in this is somebody like lindsay graham. you know, i don't doubt that lindsay graham is upset by benghazi. i think lindsay graham clears his schedule to be on fox to talk about benghazi, because when he can't clear his schedule, he's in the judiciary committee doing immigration reform. there's nothing, a challenge from the right in south carolina would be a pretty tough thing for lindsay graham to overcome. and i'm sure luke would see this, too. the members in the house are not worried about a democrat taking their seat from the republican side. thatter worried about a primary challenge from the right. how can they howl at the

- >> -- no, first of all they weren't under the direction of the white house.nly -- this process as everybody is an equal player in this process said, everybody's concerns have to be listened to and taken into account. >> all right. so, you didn't get anything. you got no admission. you and the other white house correspondence of any wrongdoing at all so they're basically saying, look, what we did was responsible, methodical. we took it easy. what is the big deal? it's the republicans who are driving. this and your response to that would be? >> well, look, there is a clear problem here what we heard from the white house in november. neither the white house nor the state department made anything beyond stylistic changes. they said there was a single word change. what we have now seen clearly is that there were dramatic changes to these talking points and that they were done after the state department had raised objections and the white house instructed that those objections be taken into account. >> bill: carney is not ceeding that. he is not going to give that

they had a meeting at the white house involving white house personnel that saturday morning. >> theyy had the meeting on the morning of september 15th. and some of it was over video conference. some of it was people meeting in person. but this was clearly discussed. i mean, there was a series of emails the night before that suggested it would be discussed in this deputy's committee meeting and then an email that i reported on after the deputy's committee meeting to susan rice in which she was told in effect what had happened at the deputy's committee meeting in broad terms and suggested that the white house and the state department would further coordinate their efforts as she prepared herself for her appearances on the sunday show. >> megyn: then we have this. the graphic, showing, you know, if ben rhodes and the white house were so concerned about only sticking to what the cia said about the investigation and not state department concerns, then how do we wind up with the cia initial draft that was three, four times longer than the final draft. white house didn't really want its fin

t t white house? >> bill: we'll have a full report on everything that happened today. >> the president said he was outraged last week by the irs scandal. is he outraged then that lois lerner is taking the fifth? >> bill: white house pounded over the irs scandal. we will show you what happened to jay carney. >> i don't think obama had anything to do with it you know, maybe he didn't. sometimes things go wrong. >> bill: jesse watters goes into obama territory. will the president supporters stand by their man? >> you didn't have a lot/áiw of high hopes for transparency to begin with? >> no. it's the u.s. government. >> bill: also tonight, dennis miller going wild over the irs. caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. >> bill: hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. the irs scandal getting even more intense. that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. today, the woman in charge of the irs department of tax exempt organizations refused to

it is important to know the most damaging story for the white house or the president is that the white house or the president was involved in the criteria for targeting these conservatives, sounding organizations for tax exempt status. the white house went out of its way to say we had no association. the president had no association. what has been problematic for them is the story about who knew what about when regarding that inspector general's report. it has taken the white house several days and has taken them several stories which has gone to their credibility. as we saw in the clip from white house press take carney. it seemed they got their story straight. it remains to be seen if it stays that way. >> how do you recapture the credibility. the irs story will be with us for months to come. >> the white house is hoping as long as it gount to the president or seen that the white house was doing this for political reasons that this is a story that will eventually go away but it has been rocky and messy and public relations mess. >> can we talk about anthony weiner shaking hands as he

in the white house. and president garfield -- president for three months, writes of how he was unable to work with fear that this was going to be a -- that something would happen to his wife. it's only after he is shot in july that the press really begins to focus on lucretia garfield, and she becomes not just a national but an international heroine for her behavior and her calmness and control as the president is attempting recuperation for two months. >> oo this call is from robert in chicago. >> good evening. i have a one simple question to ask. by the time garfield became president, his salary was $50,000. i was just wondering if mrs. garfield received the balance of the salary after he passed on? >> guest: yes, she did. she also received hug pension as doing his pension as a former member of congress, and she received, as susan mentioned, a large amount of public fund raised, and she also received a presidential widow's pension. so, she had quite a bit of income coming from several directions. >> ho