it's the newest issue of our white house quarterly. >> which is about the white house garden the white house grounds. it's really an extraordinary issue. so, thank you all for coming, have a safe travel home! [applause] we continue now the white house historical association's discussion on the presidency and historic preservation. i've, next the contributions of women in preserving the white house and other presidential sites. >> i hope you are having a good time. we will start our

how do you make the white house, how do you make the white house accessible to the people? she looked for different ways to say who is being excluded. one thing she was -- she felt there were all these people living in washington dc and they passed the white house every day and they never saw it so she had eliminated. in 1970, the white house was eliminated for the first time in the evening. then they opened up so the working people could come and visit the white house. this is misses nixon leading one of the tours. she also revived of pre-world war ii event by opening it for one weekend in the spring and fall. it had been closed since pearl harbor. she revised the tradition in 1973. as you had seen in the previous pictures, misses nixon was very interested in trying to make children feel at home, to make for undignified -- dignitaries at home. we can't see the tour guides, but she is speaking to a group of tour guides. she was insistent that one of the things that the tour guides had to do was make sure that they spoke facing the people that the tours that they were leadin

kennedy's influence on the white house and her role establishing the white house historical associationmission of the association is housed in the david m. rubenstein national center for white house history. so it is no surprise that our wonderful friend, david rubenstein, was a featured part of the gala's program. everybody in the room was moved by mr. reuben stone's powerful and poignant remarks as he spoke passionately about why the mission and work of the white house historical association is important to support. >> the white house that we know is much different than that one that was originally designed. that the one that was originally designed was much smaller in many ways, as many of you may know, it's changed over the years and in fact, at one point it was so dilapidated and falling apart that it was completely gutted, completely gutted, when harry treatment was president, and they started all over again keeping the outside. but the inside of the white house really needed a lot of work, and jacqueline kennedy really made that possible by the extraordinary effort she made to in

telling the rich stories of white house history has been the mission of the white house historical association since we were founded in 1961 by first lady jacqueline kennedy. it was her vision that at the young age of 31 to create an organization that would provide non-taxed by your funding to maintain the museum stand him off the house, which had been somewhat neglected through presidencies leading up to the kennedys. although the association has developed and expanded over the past 60 years, it's a mission established by mrs. kennedy still guides our work and our offerings, earlier this month in the south of the time -- in new york. the evening featured powerful and poignant remarks from first lady of the united states, dr. jill biden, ambassador caroline kennedy, david rubenstein, chairman of our board, fred ryan and vice chair john rogers, and all worker served as a master of ceremonies for the evening. we've had performances from the great coat five foot five and drum court, metropolitan opera soprano brandi sutton, and the nyu start school, which we have a new partnership with, provided

it's the newest issue of our white house quarterly. >> which is about the white house garden the white house grounds. it's really an extraordinary issue. so, thank you all for coming, have a safe travel home! [applause]

we've been involved with the white house since 1933. and then with this house itself and the collection some ways too since 1961 and i feel you know, it's it really speaks to what the national park service is about. it's about preserving protecting and telling the story of this nation for future generations. and i feel like that's what we do every day working here at the white house and i feel like you know, all those things that we see, you know are important for people, you know, we sometimes take it for granted, but people really see each one of those things as meaning something to them something they've waited their whole life to see so it's very very important to us that we all bear together and making sure that that place is very special for people when they come to visit it also too as we've said it's it's ever dynamic environment. it's changing. great moment. it's changing with every administration. and so we have to be there to adjust and be able to be nimble and to work with it. but at the same time understand that trust that's

this tribute focuses on the white house -- the white house itself is situated on top of the hill, and just like capitol hill, there's literally a physical hill underneath the white house. the white house looks down in historical time on swampy land historical time on swampy land i like to call it the three bs, bare, bleak and brown. when john adams moved in in 1800. and the period accounts go on to state visitors from that time described as, i believe the it was a barren, stony, unfenced waste. it was not a great looking place simply because it was a construction site for so many years -- >> well, but the world was used to the european standard of fabulous palaces and manicured gardens. and europe, which had been around for centuries building up its public places, it sounds to me like the early white house is what george washington would have wanted, something simple. an executive mansion, not a sounds to me like the early white house with something like george washington would've wanted. and executive mansion, not a palace. >> that is absolutely correct, that is a good point especial

about the white house garden the white house grounds. it's really an extraordinary issue. so, thank you all for coming, have a safe travel home! [applause] we continue now at the white house historical association's discussion on the presidency and historic preservation. up next, the contribution of women in preserving the white house and other presidential sites. >> i hope you are having a good time. we will start our second panel today. first, i want to introduce the moderator, our very own colleen shogan. who is a senior vice president at the david m. rubenstein national center for national history of the white house historical association. doctor shogan is a trained political scientist, with a ph. d. in american politics from yale university, as well as a bachelors degree in political science from boston college. she has almost 15 years of service and the federal government, including prominent roles with the u.s. senate as well as the library of congress. doctor shogan teaches government students at georgetown university and served as vice chair of the women suffrage

in the white house it is different, on the white house grounds it is different. the entire 200 plus odd area. there are very few places in the nation that you can say that about. even more significant to me is the period of significance is open-ended. simply because it is the white house, whatever happens tomorrow or next week, or next month or next year is going to be historically significant. >> can i tell you one little story that affected me? it has to do with the beautiful jackson magnolias, which are how old now? >> if you believe the story associated with them, they were planted by andrew jackson sometime around 1828. >> they are gigantic, what we see close-up is there are huge metal poles going up the entire length, they are wired together because the president's marine one helicopter comes out of the downdraft, beats against them. one morning, i got a call from the abc news desk at about 1:10 in the morning and they said a plane has crashed into the white house. get there quick, i got there, turns out it was a tiny ultralight plane. a kook had tried to l

stay at the white house overnight. for political reasons one he was married to a white woman and two he was african-american and jfk worried about the political implications of having sammy davis jr. this great celebrity stay at the white house. so it's a story. it's a it's a it's a long story that has major implications and the lincoln assassination changes. i think they're the trajectory of that story and you know, i don't do counterfactuals and i don't know what would have been different it had lincoln lived, but what i do try to show is that for a brief period for four years the white house is different than it was before and it's different than it would be for a long time afteryou througg and wandering through hot and cold wars through corruption and cynicism the american people of hunger for leadership fou

so, that's what i try to do in the book, really bring at the texture of the white house. t looked like, how crowded it was and then that white people, for decades, had felt free to go to the white house to meet with the president. now, in the lincoln years, african americans feel that they have that right as well, to go and meet with the president. >> and it's brand-new, right? you make at least a couple mentions, once or twice, previous to that, african american people had been in the white house to entertain or something like that. they had always been, you know, abused. >> right. i found, i did as much research as i could on this, and i found a handful of instances where african americans go to the white house as either guests or not as a servant. in one case, jefferson met with an african american went to the white house and said, hey, one of the white house servants stole my coat and i wanted back, and jefferson gave it back to him. madison met with paul cuffe, daniel pane meets john tyler in 1833 or 34 and doesn't have a very positive experience. one of the things i

the white house?eory of restoration and preservation, is that by restoring and preserving the past we can make certain that we don't make that were made in the past and we can learn and do better citizens for the future. that's the whole theory of history why we study history. it's to learn from the past make certainly don't make the same mistakes and do better at going forward. now the human brain has not yet evolved such that when you see a picture of the white house or a picture of any historic building, it's the same as actually visiting it you can look at the picture of the white house and get some sense of what it's all about, but it's not the same as a visiting it and therefore if you preserve it more people want to visit it what people want to see what this white house is about and therefore our citizens flock to see it all the time and they should and it's possible to make this white house better because we can provide the resources through the white house historical association to make the w

visitation to the white house tripled in their first year there. everyone is carrying out a guidebook, and you can see the pictures of people leaving the house with their guidebooks. and she really had a brilliant vision. if we can go to the next slide please, here's the initial offering of the guidebook when this first was offered for sale there in 1962. i want to point out that the only two women in the room are jacqueline kennedy and the rain wax man pierce, who's the first curator of the white house, also a graduate of the winter program. and so she establish that carriers office, the first curator, who is now a part of the legacy of that. and mrs. spears was essential in helping to offer that first guidebook. in the next slide please. so beyond what she was doing in the white house itself, she really looked outside of this and into the neighborhood and paul touched on this of course in his opening remarks, about the lafayette square. i want to credit kathleen gallup, who wrote a wonderful article in 2006 for the leadership format journal about

from the trump white house felt? >> i i haven't spent that much time in the biden white house but i got some more questions about this. i will say i think it's hard, it's just as hard to cover trump as it is to cover biden. people think in a way like covering trump is kind of this easy pickings, there's so many things, details to learn and things to collect but the problem with covering trump was that so much of it wasn't reliable or coming from reliable narrators here. i mentioned my kind of long newspaper career, whether it was any of these county commission meeting for school board meetings or state legislative committee hearings, like never have been anywhere except the trump white house where eight people could go into a meeting and 12 versions of that what happened in that meeting emerged afterwards. to understand what is happening behind the scenes you needed to talk to almost everybody who was in the room to have an understanding of what happened. there were so many rivalries, so many, i mean trump came up in

inside the white house jared keeps completely out of the white house. killing on conway at first female manager to win the presidential race in the nation's history. she never quite get that do. steve bannon articulates a trump -ism night no encounter has since then. i might be thebe only person frm the get go but trump's reelection. everyone else seemed to have the reasons for to be around trump. he gets this backstabbing ultimately does himself in a couple of different times. >> it gets connected to this but just briefly why it was the incumbent president, donald trump reelection campaign such a huge meaningless shambles? as i read the book they found it impossible to articulate, to put into words what they were standing for and what they wanted more of. what they wanted to continue. it seemed to me that people around trump and trump had so much trump grappling with the historical venture on which they were embarked and had been for four years. they did not know right until the end what they were campaigning on and for be on donald trump and let's all

the white house historical association? dr. shogun is a trained political scientist with a phd in american politics from yale university as well as a bachelor's degree in political science from boston college. she has almost 15 years of service in the federal government including prominent roles with the us senate as well as the library of congress, dr. shogun teaches government students at georgetown university and served as vice chair of the women's suffrage centennial commission. another feather in her cap in an illustrious resume is that she currently serves as a co-chair of the board of directors at the women's suffrage national monument foundation designated by the congress to build the first memorial in dc dedicated to the history of the movement for women's equality. it's a huge deal. to begin with our panelists we have elaine rice bachmann, who is the state archivist of maryland and a co-author of a wonderful book designing camelot published by the white house historical association, and i'm proud to say it was lau

with white house counsel, lawyers, and mr. tony arnoldo, who served as the white house deputy chief of staff. she also worked on a daily basis with members of the secret service posted in the white house. in short, she was in a position to know a great deal about the happenings in the trump white house. she has already set for for videotape interviews with committee investigators and we thank her very much for her cooperation and for her courage. we will cover certain but not all relevant topics within our knowledge today. our future hearings will supply greater detail, putting the testimony today in a broader and more complete context. today you will hear her relate certain first-hand observations of his conduct on january 6. you will also hear new information regarding the actions and statements of mr. trump's senior advisor's that day. including his chief of staff mark meadows and white house counsel. we will begin to examine evidence bearing on what president trump and members of the white house staff knew about the prospe

and the trump white house felt? . i haven't spent that much time in the biden white house, but i've got some more questions about this and i think that it's-- i think it's hard-- it's just as hard to cover trump as it is to cover biden. people think in a way that it was, by covering trump was easy pickings and there's so much, so many things, you know, to details to learn and to collect. the problem with covering trump so much of it wasn't reliable or coming from reliable narrators here. i mentioned my kind of long newspaper career. whether it was any of these county commission meetings or school board meetings or you know, state legislative committee hearings, never have i been anywhere where-- except the trump white house, eight people go into a meeting and 12 versions of what happened in the meeting emerged afterwards. i mean, to understand what was happening behind the scenes, you needed to talk to almost everybody who was in the room to have an understanding of what happened because there were so many rivalries

announced that he would make his selection the evening of october 12th in the east room of the white house. both houses of congress were to meet there at 8:00 to hear the announcement. we had that usual, quiet family dinner plan, you, know so that jury could get through early and be in place at the white house with his colleagues at that point in time. but, during dinner, it wasn't president nixon. justice susan knew it would be, and the call came from the white house. but unfortunately, the call came in on our private, childproof line, which had no extensions. and by child proof, i mean that it came with a, kind of, death threat to any child that tried to use it. under the circumstances, susan naturally sprinted upstairs to the phone and called her father, and then things began to get really confused. president nixon told jerry, he wanted to speak to both of us, and as my husband, asked to please pick up the extension. that is the nonexistent childproof extension. attempting to remain cool and controlled, jerry explained that problem, and he said, you know, to the president, please, can y

she didn't like the idea of redecorating the white house a lot of people say dolly redecorated the white house, but what she did was restructure it in a way that mrs. kennedy would have proved by this is amazing that before dolly's white house, which is called the executive mansion and it would only be during her tenure where it would get that familiar loving nickname the white house there was no place in the in the capital city where all the men of government could get together. let alone their families let alone visiting diplomats. let alone visiting americans let alone anybody it was so what dolly did was she took that executive mansion and she turned it in to a center for entertaining where everybody in town would show up and they did and she threw weekly parties and they were as regular and as grueling as they sound but they became an independent and indispensable part of the washington political machine. and it's in those parties. i can tend that these people learn to work together in a bipartisan ways going towards something they didn't even know is going to happen, which is that

she lived in the white house. the concession statement she delivered on behalf of a horse president gerald ford ending. the 1976 campaign was not the end of her own political life. she continued to her work to improve the lives of those facing breast cancer and substance abuse focusing a spotlight once taboo topics. she built a friendship and policy partnership with the woman who followed her into the white house rosalyn carter an advocate for the mentally ill. and she revealed that she'd lobbied her husband to name a woman to the supreme court and to his 1976 re-election ticket. betty ford was fond of saying she was known to have an opinion or two you'll hear directly from her featuring footage from c-span's video library. let's listen to her now in her own words. the equal rights amendment when ratified will not be an instance solution to women's problems. it will not alter the fabric of the constitution. are forced women away from their families? it will help knock down those restrictions that have locked women

the nuclear age transformed the presidency from a single person working in the white house to a much broader idea a long line of men and women stretching through both houses of congress and through every cabinet agency. the presidency literally had an a team a b team and even a c team in the cold war and in the event of an emergency each team and its designated president had a different role and different evacuation destination. the alpha team which in most cases included the elective prep the elected president would remain in washington and by design be sacrificed in the opening minutes of a nuclear attack. the bravo team would head to mount weather the sprawling secret bunker in the hills of virginia built to withstand nuclear attack and the charlie team would head out to other bunkers and relocation facilities around the capitol some of the nearly 100 different bunkers airborne command posts available within an hour of washington that the government would activate in an emergency. each of course of the offices in the presidential line of succession as we have heard discussed today

the white house campus.the next point i'm grateful to rep for this is that the pace of transition, you have a slow burn with the political standard, the sorenson letter was november of the nixon resignation is august, compared to the rapid explosion of problems with a biological arm online threat, you're not gonna have time to write a memo. the odds of a dual vacancy are quite high to -- and i think everybody was right, you are gonna have partisan litigation about the eligibility of the speaker as a officer or member of the house, which is gonna lead to a tremendous amount of instability during a crisis. so, my final point, okay? my and albert instinctive wary of the presidency moving to the parties opposite -- aristotle would counter guys their concerns as a virtuous, practical wisdom. losing both the president and vice president in the dual vacancy is a national trauma. switching parties would seem to confound that and i think it's something to be avoided. so, i think we need, as many of the other scholars

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good morning, and welcome to the white house. thank you to the u.s. postal service, and isn't this stamp just beautiful? [applause] there really is nothing that can prepare you to be first lady. to wake up here, steps from the oval office, to sit in the jackie kennedy garden and watch the morning light just climb the monuments of our nation's capital. first ladies aren't elected. we have really no instructions to guide us. we are just sort of thrust into the national spotlight in a way that i know none of us could have anticipated. yet, each day is such a blessing. to serve the american people with such an incredible platform. first lady nancy reagan served the american people with grace. she understood that the role of first lady came with inherent pitfalls and scrutiny. yet she found the humanity in it all. she knew the potential of this role. she traveled the country, listening to american stories, and just brought them home to her husband. she raised attention on issues that she cared about and she spoke bravely about her cancer, as was mentioned,

they had a very close relationship even after she left the white house. a very different personality, kind of night and day. that is what i found so interesting in researching them both. i see mrs. nixon as teeing women's issues up and betty puts them in the spotlight. mrs. nixon was very private, did not like the spotlight. i think mrs. ford perhaps enjoyed the spotlight more. an interesting contrast because they were dear friends even though they were quite different. >> i think -- we could go on. we may do this again in a non-problematic way. i would like to thank linda and the first rose garden wedding. the naval photographic center produced this film. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [applause] ♪ ♪ ♪ >> one of the most important days in tricia nixon's life was drawing to a close. the wedding was over but a w life and career as mrs. edward finch cox was just commencing. at a press conference tricia once said speedy the most important thing is love but love -- you can't really define it. you can say i i love this aboa person, i love this -- intelligent -- [inaudible] that yo

okay, and we want you to feel welcome here at the white house. which really is as the admiral said it's the people's house. it belongs to all of us. so just remember that okay. and as the people's house, we believe the white house should be a place for learning and for sharing new and different ideas. sharing new forms of art and culture and history and different perspectives. we want you to visit and we want you to take advantage of these opportunities and maybe see something for yourselves that maybe you never thought you could do or be so i'm happy to welcome you here for our little black history month celebration. i'm glad you guys are here. so many milestones in black history have touched this very house. just to name a few. did you know that african-american slaves helped to build this house? you knew that? did you know that write upstairs in a bedroom called the lincoln bedroom president lincoln signed the emancipation proclamation that marked an important step forward and ending slavery. did you know that happened right here? you knew that

she moved over to the white house in april of 2022 start as white house press secretary and she over a group of campaign staff with her so i joined her over at the white house in june of 2022 start as her deputy. >> were you at work at the white house on january 6? >> yes i was working out of the west wing out of that day -- i was working out of the west wing on that day. >> thank you. president trump summoned to the mob to d.c. on january 6. before he went on stage, he knew that some of them were armed and prepared for combat. he implored them to march to the capital as he had always planned to do. by the time he walked off the stage, supporters had already breached the capital at the foot of capitol hill. since our last hearing, we received new testimony from a security professional working in the white house complex on january 6 with access to relevant information and responsibility to report to national security officials. this security official told us that the white house was aware of multiple reports of the crowd that morning. -- of weapons in the crowd that morning. we as a c

kennedy ended up at the white house. mrs. kennedy realized that this was a home. she was the peoples house, as she would call it. it was badly in need of a storm restoration. she believed that the white house should represent the very best of them america. artisans, craftsman, decorative arts, fine arts, furnishings. she took that on athar project over the course of the next three years, coach or tragically by the assassination of president kennedy, but what she put in place than is still the legacy of her influence of historic preservation of the white house, acquisitions for the collection, and education. that is a key part of our mission. we are mrs. kennedy's living legacy at the white house today. well, it was those 61 years ago that we were founded by her, and today we continue to celebrate -- my colleague colleen and david rubenstein at the national center for white house history which is really the educational part of our work and we -- will publish a quarterly magazine. we have conferences and book events like this. publishing and storytelling is a vital p

this is from january 1997 in the white house roosevelt room. thank you, and please be seated and welcome to the white house. i am pleased to see all of you here today for the presentation of this report of the presidential advisory committee on gulf war veterans illnesses. the work of this committee reflects the administration's commitment to finding answers for the thousands of brave men and women suffering from undiagnosed illnesses after serving in the persian gulf war. and it reflects the president's abiding commitment to being responsive to and responsible for our veterans and their families. i know that there are members who are here of the commission and i'd like them if they would just to stand so that we could see all they're all standing good. we appreciate very much the time and effort that went into this service, and i know firsthand how important and difficult your task has been over the last four years the president and i have received many heart-wrenching letters from gulf war veterans and family members. many veterans and their

eleanor after the white house, after eleanor the white house was never the same for women. women were a part of a -- eleanor was a proxy, she was a proxy for people where people came to the president, eleanor came to you. i think one of the most important thing she did right away was that she made the first lady a mobile, separate part of the institution. her -- if you are in the middle of this country in june of 1933 and liked -- you heard overhead a plane, you looked up and you saw that in that little wing it machine, the first lady of the united states was going to california, that was a little glimmer of hope. something was going right, things might work out after all. who was she anyway? eleanor brought herself to people, she also brought out of people something that i think you saw in figures like muhammad ali, in figures like perhaps mahatma gandhi. you see somebody who is bringing people, people wanted to be the best selves around her. when she saw them connected, they were on best behavior, but also she brought out of them the feeling that they could be something,

now the white house doesn't know what it was. embassy, they both declined to comment here. there's some concern officials say of whether or not it could imperil diplomatic relations. it really is there on two fronts here. the white house is certainly concerned about this, especially when it comes to how they collect intelligence and of course relations with their sources. >> jasmine wright, appreciate your reporting. thank you. and here to discuss this further is michael zeldin, the host of "that said" with michael zeldin podcast. good morning. good to see you. >> good morning. >> there are so many questions about these classified documents, the lie and what were in these documents. what is your thought process? >> so two things. one is for the current white house, they have to be very concerned as was just reported about what those documents are and what they contain and who had access to them. so from a national security threat analysis standpoint, there's -- that's the white house's view. from the prior white house, then you h

kennedy ended up at the white house and mrs. kennedy realized this was a home the people's house as she would call it. it was in badly badly in need of historic restoration. she believed that the white house should represent the very best of america artisans craftsmen. decorative arts fine arts furnishings. and so she took that on as her project over the course of the next three years. cut short tragically by the assassination of president kennedy, but what she put in place then is still the legacy of her influence of historic preservation at the white house acquisitions for the collection and actually education. it's a key part of our mission and we are mrs. kennedy's living legacy at the white house today. well, it was those 61 years ago that we were founded at by her and today we continue to undertake that work my colleague my colleague colleen shogun leads our david and rubenstein national center for white house history, which is really the educational part of our work and we published books. we publish a quarterly magazine.

welcome to the white house. i'm very excited to have you here today with me and thank you in advance for sharing your stories and your thoughts about your struggles and triumphs. i want to-help children everywhere to be their best. so, with your help we can achieve positive results. so before we start, i would like to ask each of you to introduce yourselves and then you could start and maybe share some hobbies or the story that you want to share with me. as we see here, we have two boards. on my right, i put down some of the words that we need to live by in everyday lives. and on the left, we have a board that is empty and what i would like is have three of you to come up and maybe share your emotions, how you feel, maybe school, how you feel at home, or with your peers. so we could have then a discussion and you will tell me your thoughts and i will tell you my thoughts. so maybe i could be the first one and tell you what i feel today. is that good? yes? perfect. so, i feel today very excited and thankful, beca

>> well, again, i was the white house counsel. some of those decisions are political. so, the extent that, but, if your question is did i believe that he should concede the election at a point in time? yes, i did. i believe later mcconnell said in late summer that the process is done and that would be in line with my thinking on these things. >> as attorney general bill barr testified, december 14th should have been the end of the matter. >> december 14th was the day that the stakes certified their votes and sent them to congress. and my opinion that was the end of the matter. i thought this would lead inexorably to a new administration. >> mr. cipollone also testified that the presidents chief of staff, mark meadows, said he shared this view. >> as early as that november 23rd meeting you understand this discussion about the president possibly conceding the election, and, specifically we understand that mark meadows assured both you and the attorney general barr that the president would eventually agree to a graceful exit. do you remember, mr. meadows, making such aspi

she poured herself into restoring and re-modeling the white house. enhancing its elegance and beauty. now at a time when elected officials had not only working relationships, but your friendships across the aisle, democratic speaker tip o'neal praised her efforts on a visit to the executive residence saying, the white house has never looked better. nancy reagan cared deeply about the health and well-being of fellow americans. perhaps her best known initiative was leading americas campaign against drug abuse. it is a bit ironic that a woman who would never take no for an answer would ask an entire nation to just say no. new we well still first lady, she received a frightening diagnosis of breast cancer. through her own personal trial including public decision to undergo a radical insect to me, she devoted herself to raising greater awareness to breast cancer and inspired generations of women in their own battle against the disease. and after the white house, when her husband was struck with alzheimer's disease, hers was the strongest voice and support

outside the white house. they are broadly to be able to vent about that. about people second and third to you. these are folks no one else knows. not have to fall into the c conversation. this happened to me on saturday. they didn't do that kind of thing. it was hard during the pandemic and row house in washington. this was on the selected floor and third floor. our bedroom was, like you said, two competing journalist on the same beat onnd the opposite side of the bedroom that's an office and peloton room. you know, i say we were competitors, truth is i came up on the shortened of the stick on that one. i'll tell a quick story about it. there was enough news in trump world. its' a lot going around. i said this once when rex divot fired. they said i need to work together. i'll take the first store. it was back and forth one of my colleges from across the newsroom micheal, how old is your oldest child? >> 10. >> a 10-year-old daughter. whatwh does she think you do for aliving? what does she think ashley does fo

apparently the white house didn't know about it.y taken aback by the developments last week. so there has been a firm firewall it seems like thus far that we have seen in between the justice department and the fbi, which is really -- sorry, the justice department and the white house, which is really something that merrick garland, when he came in, wanted to reestablish and make sure things were only going through the official lines of communication between the fbi, doj, and the white house, and not some of these side missions that we saw happen during the trump administration, hallie. >> ryan referenced it here, that is the push from some members of congress to understand more about not necessarily the search itself, although you are seeing house judiciary republicans call for the preservation of any materials related to the prompting of that search. but specifically to what this top secret material was. >> that's right, hallie. there's a medley of requests coming from all quadrants of congress that could help shed life on the natur