white house and almost bypass it, in a way. i know that's a place you're very familiar with, courtney, and obviously you're a board member of the white house correspondents' associationbsolutely. i'm unfortunately limited in what i can share, but i can say that, you know, we've had rigorous discussions about what the role of media looks like in a trump 2.0 administration, both with the administration, incoming administration itself, and within the press co ' rps, right? i think there's a lot of, um, nervousness about what the expectations are. they obviously have said they want to shake up how they interact and engage with media, as they did during the campaign. but there is an essential role there as well, right? and i think, as you mentioned, in the trump administration, the lines get blurred sometimes because a lot of the trump officials — and you both remember this from the first administration — you know, they're going on air and they're messaging the administration's talking points for an audience of one. and that is donald trump, right? and so there's almost a sort of, um, broadcast mentality to being a part of this administration. so of course having a media

this is something the white house correspondents association is dealing with. the seating anyway. they were looking at those who weren't coming in, as normal, et cetera. and i would like to see, i would love to be a fly on the wall to hear that conversation between the incoming trump team and the white house correspondent association. to see how they are working this out. because they are the advocacy group for us to ask the questions of the president of the united states. >> now, max, i want to come to you on this one. because the other part of this equation is that journalistic institutions, mainly major newspapers and outlets, are kind of reassessing how they should go about covering trump. not necessarily saying we can't be doing critical coverage of him, but also, at the same time, wondering and asking themselves whether they had the right balance, whether they have the right voices, whether they should do endorsements. how do you feel like those conversations are progressing? what do you think will change in terms of the trump coverage in the next adminis

but this is where the white house correspondents association and the incoming president have to do their work because typically what happens, and i was a former board member, we could look at the seating chart to see who would come, who's not there, and if they were raising their hands, even, and we would look at the seating chart and say okay, and work with the white house. it sounds like donald trump and donald jr. are trying to change the room. but let's see how it plays out. what i will say as many of the journalists need to lawyer up right now. >> on your point about the briefing room, these journalists and they are saying don't have access now, they could apply, i work there, we approve people to have day passes all the time. they are choosing not to cover the president and that shows you that they want to cover someone that they can carry favor four. >> you know at the beginning, it's new, it's shiny, it's the shiny object, the him in for the first few weeks. that room is not the west wing, it's not scandal, that room is tough. i'm telling you, and to sit in there, every day, just

now this is where the white house correspondents association and the incoming president have to do their work because typically what happens, i was a former board member so i am speaking from knowledge, we would look at the seating chart to see who would come and who is not there and if they were raising their hands and we would look at the seating chart and say okay and work with the white house it sounds like trump and don junior are trying to change that room but let's see how it plays out. what i will say is that many of the journalists need to lawyer up right now. >> on the point of the briefing room, the journalists they are saying do not have access now, they could have access, i worked there, we approve people with day passes all the time, they are choosing not to cover the president which shows you they want to cover somebody they can carry favor for. they are not there to cover journalism the same way you are in the briefing room or have a show. >> yes everyday but in the beginning it is new, it is shiny, they come in for the first few weeks. that room is not the west wing. tha

i don't think the white house correspondent's association would allow it.pick the comedian, not him. >> right. >> i don't think that goes. they don't want to be laughed at. they want you to fear them. that's the cloth he is cut from. >> molly joan fast, i want to bring this up to you. dean mentioned it. trump's pick for fcc, brendan carr, was referentially on msnbc -- sorry, on cnbc. he said, so, i mean, is that signaling that others have said that you've done, you're open to tv networks having their licenses revoked, et cetera, et cetera. these guys have come in and said we're going to look at every single cable outlet, every single network with a fine tooth comb and create if we can a chilling effect. they will find somebody to make an example of. do you think that we are equipped? do you think that cable news and television news and nightly news and do you think journalism as a whole is equipped to resist these kinds of threats and this kind of bullying? >> yeah. i mean, that's a real question, and i think, you know, it's really sort of scary to think th

white house correspondents dinner. i was like, i don't to the roasting. i kind of do comedy that brings everyone together. but i love the history associatede event. and it is for a great cause. but rightful before it was going on, you know, i'm looking to my left and i see trump, chuck schumer, governor hochul. >> you eric adams. >> yes. it's a crowd of billionaires and politicians. really not a great comity. >> you are sending in sos. >> it was one of those things were like, what am i doing? there are great roast comedians. i don't know why i am engaging in this. but some of it is the challenge. stand up is very much self assignment. i love the fact that the skinny is a show you can watch with your kids or your parents. it's like, we are about to go to the holidays. what can we watch with this eclectic -- a we have here? you know, i love the fact that the skinny is like that. and it was adjusting on the fly because you it's there and go, i can do this rfk jr. joke. i can't to this other one. you know, trump has a great sense of humor, really. but i was like, you know, i'm less worried of trump. i'm more worried of these diehards pick >>

the diplomatic correspondent for "the new york times" and author of the memoir titled at the edge of the empire and he covered these developments. previously served as associate white house counsel under president obama and they join me now. it's great to have you. i am a longtime admirer of your fine reporting. this has been in some sense as i have been watching it today, it was shocking and surprising, this announcement. at one level it came out of nowhere and others would say it didn't really come out of nowhere. someone who had these inclinations from the beginning. can you give us context to understanding what's happening in the last 24 hours? >> sure. a lot of what set the stage for this is the intense polarization that is present in south korean society over politics. you can see that is a parallel to american society as well. president yoon felt he had to seize power and essentially rolled over the legislature which is controlled by the opposition party by declaring martial law. this would then allow him to enact policies that he felt he had the right to push but might be unpopular. people then showed up in the streets, as you pointed out, the ledges -- legislato

white house correspondents' dinner. i was like i don't do the roast thing, i kind of do comedy that brings everyone together. and right before -- but i love the history associatedh the al smith event. and it is for a great cause. but right before it's going on i'm looking to my left and i see trump and chuck schumer -- >> you've got eric adams. >> it's a crowd of billionaires and politicians. really not a great comedy -- >> i was sending you an s.o.s. just below -- >> it was one of those things where i was like what am i doing? this is -- there are great roast comedians. i don't know why i'm engaging in this. but some of it is the challenge. stand-up is very much self-assignment. i mean, i love the fact that and the the skinny" is a show you can watch with your kids or your parents. it's like we're about to go into the holidays and it's going to be what can we watch with this eclectic group that we have here? so i love the fact that "the skinny" is like that. and yeah, the al smith dinner, and it was adjusting on the fly. you would sit there and go i can do this rfk jr. joke, i can't do this other one. i can do -- like there was -- trump has a great sense of hu

the pneumatic correspondent for the new york times, author of the memoir told "at the edge of the empire." executive protector of protect democracy, previously served as associate white house counsel under president obama. it is great to have you on the program. i am a longtime admirer of your very fine reporting. this has been, in some senses as i have been watching the analysis today, it was shocking, and surprising, this announcement. at one level, you could say it came out of nowhere, other people would say, it didn't really come out of nowhere, this was someone who had those inclinations from the very beginning. i wonder if you can give us a little context to understanding what has happened in south korea in the last 24 hours? >> sure. a lot of what set the stage for this is intense polarization that is present in south korean society over politics. and i think you see that, we can see that as a parallel to american society, as well. and so, president yoon felt that he had to seize power, and he essentially rolled over the legislature, which is controlled by the opposition party, by declaring martial law. and this would then allow him to enact policies that he felt he