i admit black south africans who don't speak kindly or well of white south africans, and i met white south africans that did the same thing. there are big issues. one major problem is they need to work harder to see themselves as one people. nelson mandela seemingly managed to do that. in the next few days you'll see people rallying together, saying they are proudly south african. the outpouring of love will be amazing. it's an speptional time. this is history. few people will be able to wake up and say, "i was there. i saw the emotions, joy, celebrations. it's a lot of work that needs to be done. people here are trying to unit as one country. >> a man who made death in his death and lift. thank you for that harry matarsa in sue wetto. people throughout south africa marking the death of nelson mandela, also get responses coming from from all over the world. the dalai lama calling him a great leader, the world lost a great leader and bank ban ki moon, all the reactions from around the world. here in south africa the country where he was recorded as the father of the nation, a deep abid

urgent as the years have passed on and a new generation of south africans has come to the fall but certainly there are pockets of particularly white south africans who are today afraid now i visited the community of cain fun tain which is a white on cave they you find only off the conason all these are white south africans who can trace the roots back to european cities who came in the sixteen hundreds you need special permission to enter the area there are security guards everywhere there are statues paying tribute to the founders of a party which was south africa's legal system of discrimination between blacks and whites people there justified the existence of such enclaves as merely a way of preserving their history their culture their language they argue against any kind of claims of racism we feel strongly about our identity and we want to protect that and preserve it this together with the fear that some white of economists feel has caused some to put in place contingency plans now there's a group called the state land as they estimate that the figures are around eighty to one hundred thousand people and they are all linked

little sort of these really are true congeals these white south africans our. are in the minority the majority really credits mandela with bringing the country back from the brink of civil godless of the color face skin race the creed they've been made to south africans for god mandela as the hero of the struggle against onstage and seen him as one of the greatest songs this country has ever given birth to. being a foreigner stuck in a north korean jail can't be too easy so how did you get out well apologize for your war crimes apparently that's exactly what an eighty five year old u.s. veteran said to do to walk free head to a website for more of his story but also doubts he told coleman egypt more and more people are big throw bad bars for not keeping in line with military rule a website called details of the almost daily arrests now. write the scene. first for you and i think that you're. on our reporter's. instagram. the british government's top measures to stifle the spread of extremism it follows the brutal murder of the u.k. soldier by islamists in london

little sort of is really a true could schools these white south africans our. are in the minority the majority really credits mandela with putting the country back from the brink of civil godless off the color face they race the creed they haven't lived in south africans for god mandela as the hero of the struggle against apartheid and seen him as one of the greatest sons this country has ever given birth to. elsewhere on the continent and it's a bid to end to the sectarian violence in the central african republic france has raised the number of troops there to sixteen hundred the african union has followed suit and is set to more than double its deployment in the country to above six thousand now almost four hundred people have been killed in three days of fierce clashes in the capital bunky began to send reinforcements hours after the un off for instance the mission to quell a spike in sectarian bloodshed thousands of civilians have fled to the country's main airport seeking refuge from armed groups history militias loyal to the ousted president are battling m

little sort of is really a true could schools these white south africans our. are in the minority the majority really credit mandela with putting the country back from the brink of civil war regardless of the color faced skin they race creed they religion south africans regard mandela as the hero of the struggle against apartheid and see him as one of the greatest sons this country has ever given birth to. france has launched its second major intervention in africa this year president has raised the deployment now to one thousand six hundred troops on the ground in the central african republic the soldiers with armored personnel carriers have now moved beyond the capital bangui to patrol remote areas where the violence is at its most intense furious clashes on thursday left almost three hundred dead parents began to said room for schools hours of un with rise of mission to a spike in sectarian bloodshed thousands of civilians have fled to the country's main airport to try to seek refuge from the armed fighters christian militias loyal to the ousted president of

we have a white south african who's written a piece for us who wrote in the end white south africans embraced nelson mandela greatly because he offered back a path. south africa became a pariah nation because of apartheid. >> joy, talk more about your father and what impact nelson mandela had on your dad. >> i mean, my father didn't live with us. my mother and he met in the united states, but he lived in africa my entire life. he lives in the congo. but when we would talk to him, it was always on the phone. he would tell us some of the things he was doing. one of the things was doing work in south africa, he's in the mining industry. we thought it was extraordinary when i was a kid. this was in the 1980s where black south africans had no rights. but because he wasn't one of their blacks, he had the ability to do more things there. just the orientation of black africans toward their country's exit from colonialism is a really big issue for black africans. and it's something that people really wrestle with. and the notion of south africa as a country as rather than shaking off the bond

we are not black south africans or white south africans, we are one family, one nation, when people. i hope that his image and spirit will live on for generations to come. l, a trailblazer himself, the u.s. secretary of state who is black on the man who inspired him so much. dozens of people have gathered outside nelson mandela's former home and so it oh -- in soweto. our respondent who filed this report. paying tribute to the father the nation. he was the consummate reconciler. this was the house he would return to when he was released in prison. in february of 1990. we met one of mr. mandela's neighbors. met those who lived in the same street. >> i went with him to introduce him to the neighbor. after so many years being away from there. them. -- he still loves he still remembered their names. >> when i went to school here in the late 1970s and i 1980s, he was still in prison. there was no road here. all of this was dead road. spirit ofodied the the fight against apartheid. mr. mandela inspired this place to keep that fight going against racial oppression. >> white south africans f

we are not black south africans or white south africans, we are one family, one nation, when people. i hope that his image and spirit will live on for generations to come. l, a trailblazer himself, the u.s. secretary of state who is black on the man who inspired him so much. dozens of people have gathered outside nelson mandela's former home and so it oh -- in soweto. our respondent who filed this report. paying tribute to the father the nation. he was the consummate reconciler. this was the house he would return to when he was released in prison. in february of 1990. we met one of mr. mandela's neighbors. met those who lived in the same street. >> i went with him to introduce him to the neighbor. after so many years being away from there. them. -- he still loves he still remembered their names. >> when i went to school here in the late 1970s and i 1980s, he was still in prison. there was no road here. all of this was dead road. spirit ofodied the the fight against apartheid. mr. mandela inspired this place to keep that fight going against racial oppression. >> white south africans f

him to send a message to the africana that he is on your side , a message to the black and white south africans equally. that this was a new south africa, this is what we are doing -- reaching out, we must all be tolerant of each other. at the time it was the next ordinary moment that no one expected. well, thement as soccer stadium, rugby stadium at the time, a jumbo jet flew very low over the stadium. these days security would never allow this, but they had underneath it the new south nationbuildingof , with a combination of imagination, extremely well thought through strategy. the generous spirit made it authentic. >> rugby, once reserved in south africa primarily for whites was seen by blacks as a symbol of oppression. the country's new leadership has fought to use the game to bring about reconciliation. it was a high-stakes gamble. the man behind the plan, then president nelson mandela. >> south africans heeded the call. though there was just one black player, the nation love the sport. >> issa that you represent the country right now. -- he said that you represent the country right now. >

white south africans utterly , allized nelson mandela of those who stood behind him. it was a dangerous moment. immediatelyears after his release were dangerous moments. time fora dangerous him to lead to persuade all south africans that they could actually feel safe in the hands of the government they had just elected. it is impossible to exaggerate the extent to which he had to more political stature. everybody around him i think acknowledged that he was head and shoulders above them. there were rivalries but not about him. >> you were saying earlier about the memories of the day when he was released. i'm just wondering about the significance of that election when he became the first lack president of south africa. of thee your memories experience of that day? >> when all this was happening, i was young. , in fact.young i was too young to even vote when millions of south africans were bused in at a school. thet of people were wearing vivars and shouting " mandela." nelsonthe people that mandela was with him fighting for the liberation. there was a lot of nervousness.

. >> for white south africans leaving does not make sense. they are as south african as black south africans. >> that's exactly right. i hope in the long term with andersoned education for everyone and with benevolent programs to boost people up that have practically nothing in their life, to give them distribution of wealthy in south africa, it is still a country that has enormous natural resources and enormous human resources in productive labor and that sort of thing and enormous potential. and my home is and my dream is and my prayer is that the ambitions of nelson mandela will be realized in the future. >> when you talked about rowe of rodesia into zimbabwe, that was something that a lot of white south south africans became afraid of, the property that you acquired wasn't yours and we'll redistribute it, that was something they felt they weren't getting a fair shake. that worried a lot of people in south africa. could it go that way? when you are talking about human rights these are dicey issues. >> i was very active in make it possible f

new homes built since 2001 or so, the average income of black south africans has risen significantly but the discrepancy between black and white south africans is growing every month. >> if any one group has benefitted, you say white south africans. they are better off now than the end of the apartheid because democracy and free enterprise helps those who have a level means, basic means of opportunity already where the black masses, you know, those opportunities have not really come. for a small black elite, the opportunities are extraordinary and rich and their children are educated and speak with an accent that no black person had when i was in south africa because it's an accent of the educated. for the black masses, that hasn't happened. >> in the reporting we focus on the south african culture, the exact opposite of mandela's legacy and in the local politics, they are talking about it. how do you think we'll see this play out? will it be in national or local elections, or do you think it will be unscripted? >> national and local elections and not in the next round of elections a year or so away but after that when mandela

it's in townships like this one where the message is so popular and that has white south africans worried about their future in this country. on a farm we met nico and his family. white-owned farms like his are attacked frequently. the attackers, he says, are well organized and black. >> the killings, the brutal slaughter of innocent people on the farms. nobody is doing anything about it. >> reporter: many white farmers believe the attacks are designed to drive them off their land. he thinks malema encourages it. >> if you are going to push us in a corner and try land grabbing, we will react. >> reporter: fight back? >> we will fight back. we will take our land back. >> reporter: some white extremists, as seen in this documentary, are even preparing for a race war. enlisting their children in commando camps. [ speaking in a foreign language ] >> reporter: i'm preparing for a war that's coming, he says, learning self-defense and hate from apartheid-era military officers. >> millions of blacks around you, smothering you, killing you. so you have to implement certain systems to survive. >> r

a surgeon as the years have cost on a new generation of south africans has come to the fore the technique there are pockets of critiquing the white south africans who are gay straight. i was the pick of the community of pain and pain which is at once on page b you find only off the contents not the fun one for africans who can trace its roots back to you it can stop this pain in the sixteen hundreds. a special commission to insert the area. he asked if he thought it the way. she's paying tribute to the founders of apartheid which was africa's legal system of discrimination between blacks and whites people there to justify the existence of such enclave has made me a way of considering the history the culture they that wait on you again with any kind of cases of racism. we feel strongly about the allied concrete in the one to pick it back in contention. this together but the fear that some one topic on this appeal has caused some to put in place contingency plans. now the supreme court the state and if they estimate that the figures are round eighteen two hundred thousand people and the bleeding too immobile phones in such a way th

there are white south africans and black south africans all sitting here coming together to say farewell to nelson mandela. this is a rainbow nation. this is the nation that he fought and said he was going to put his life on the line for. it is hard to believe that just a couple of decades ago people thought this country might go into a civil war. because of the politics of nelson mandela, it called for healing and it pulled this country together so that when you look around today and see all fees faces coming together to say farewell to him, you know there is a lot more to do in south africa. they have come a long, long way. a lot of thanks to nelson mandela. >> as we listen to the music also, the list of speakers to follow include president obama, then followed by the president of brazil, the vice president of china, the president of india and president raul castro of cuba and the keynotes which will be delivered by the president of south africa and as we watch this genuine musical appreciation. as we watch this musical event of what nelson mandela meant to south africa. >>> talk about

in through speeches both white and black south africans mourned around the country together. >> there is nothing that we can do more for this country. i just want to say thank you to him. >> reporter: mandela's vision of today's rainbow nation was formed when he was an activist in the think of south africa's apartheid rule. his multi cultural embrace was evidence with his friendship circle as world leaders paid thanks some using his clan name, madiba. >> like the south africans who mourn madiba with their chants, we proudly carry african blood in our veins. >> we stand proud of you, madiba, bringing venues of freedom, solidarity, equality, sacrifice, and human dignity. >> reporter: for all his life he has strived for the liberation of africa nations and championed the dignity of the african people. >> many honored mandela's crusade for con sol days. >> there are many people who feel-- >> in 1961 after years of stalled peaceful protests and leaders assigned mandela to mobilize a militant branch although not targeting civilians, an estimated 60 people died as a result of guerrilla warfa

how he transformed the country and gave so many people, both black south africans and white south africans the opportunity to come through the modern world. there is really happiness. it's hard to describe it any other way. there is chanting. people are singing. there giving thanks. >> i would imagine there is pride. the funeral is more than a week away, nick. do we anticipate this type of energy and this type of crowds over the next several days as it transitions into an official time of mourning? >> reporter: i think i would.. they have no intention of going away. they have no intention of not celebrating this man's life, not thanking him for everything that he has done. this man, a patient man, they say thank you. and the funeral will be in southeast south africa where he was born. >> nick, thank you so much. the lasting legacy that nelson mandela leaves behind is raising the awarenes awareness of the h. a.i.d.s. crisis in south africa. we're joined live villa skype from cape town. thank you for joining us. let's talk about nelson mandela as it pertains h.i.v. a.i.d.s. he was not immedi

the father of the nation, the man who gave black south africans dignity and liberty and gave white south africans a secure and relatively safe future in modern south africa. he's being mourned today. nelson mandela dead at the age of 95. >> rohit, thank you. and nbc special news correspondent charlene hunter galt is a journalist and as a citizen is among those best able to talk about nelson mandela's life and legacy. and charlene, while it's just been hours since we heard the news, rohit is write. we had a long time to prepare. your thoughts. >> in south africa, people rarely use the word death or dying. the talk about transitioning. i think the spirit you're hearing outside the home is part of that notion that nelson mandela has transitioned to a different place. and i think in -- you know, we almost think of him as a super human person. and i thought over these months since we were there in south africa when he first went to the hospital that over these weeks and months, in his own sort of wisdom, he's been preparing his nation and the world for this. and i think that one of the things

white exclusivity. but putting on the jersey and celebrating their triumph, mandela delivered a clear is only onehere south africa and it is shared by all its people. for white south africans, it was a seminal moment. rugbyrs later, another international, and supporters in a cape town bar sing the national anthem. in one of the 11 official languages of south africa. most of the team is still white, and most of its supporters, too. but things are changing. that is the number one priority. coach, no one would have -- a black coach, no one would have thought there would have been a black coach, but there is one today. africa is pinning its hopes on a new generation that has never experienced apartheid. today's schools are the seed beds of future equal opportunity for all. the reality is more complicated. depending on the area, the yougraphics of the area, have to resolve to come to the school, to live in the area. >> that means integration for the new rich in upmarket areas like this one. but there is segregation for the majority who are still poor. a nelson mandela posturing of nonracial south africa is ever to come true, it is colorblind isool life this one in -- it colorbl

bring up now from just outside of his home in johannesburg and you can see a mix of people, white south africans, black south africans. you were able to go to south africa and witness this with your own eyes, this country that had been fractured for so long by apartheid and it was coming undone as this first black south off -- south african was coming president. can you speak a little bit about how someone who could have endured 27 years as a political prisoner could emerge and not be bitter, be someone generous of spirit and be someone who brought both black and white south africans together which we see right now? >> one of the things i'll say about that, he was a man who took the long view, spent a long time in jail. we once heard him speak to that in his book the long walk. he spooks about it at some length, that he was not favor -- he speaks about it at some length that he was not favoring on the belief, that ultimately blacks and whites were to live together. i can recall seeing him on tv when he was released from jail and he came out very pleasant. you would not have thought that you were

white south african. watching this man walk out of prison, knowing that he had - he potentially was the puppetmaster to what was to come next for the country. put us on the ground. what was that like? >> i would say it was an amazing moment. but it's a scary moment for a lot of people. >> it's like releasing a terrorist. remember he was classified as a terrorist by the u.s. >> what is he going to do? >> the terrorist is working from prison. i mean, when you talk about the prisoner working out they have some kind of dignity making you scared. that was a different kind of prisoner. somebody who the majority of the county, black and white, when the majority, i'm not just referring to black people. they saw him as a liberator. pockets of society that changed. time to prepare to run away from the country. time to go into the... time to go into the count rip. >> who was this man. the government worked to remove his image, his likeness so you knew nothing about the man. now he is working out of prison. >> you kn

nelson mandela is not just a hero to black south africans which make up the vast majority of the country, he is a hero to everybody here, including the white south africans, the former white regime was a very brave one. they were forced into it by economic sanctions and other kinds of pressures and the moral rectitude of the battle that was being fault. his greatest gift he was being remembered for was not just long walk to freedom, the long fight for liberation but the reconciliation he saw afterwards, bringing everybody into the fold, saying this was and is a country for everybody. the inequality economically and socially is much less than it used to be. a lot of brave people coming together here on this very historic day. >> mark phillips, we thank you. as you point out and everyone knows, he has been out of public view for a very long time but he was still considered the moral compass of this country. everybody knew that nelson mandela, even though we knew he was frail and fragile, everyone thought of him as the moral compass. out of this sadness comes opportunity. what will the people of south africa do with this. can you talk about t

first african-american or excuse me, the first african leader, black african leader of south africa which had been governed by a white government, president obama followed in that footstep as the first african-american president of the united states, and he said that he would spend the rest of his life trying to live up to and follow nelson mandela's example. what was so notable about nelson mandela was that he actually achieved in practice the promise that president obama had held out in 2004 at that famous convention speech of bringing south africa together, adopting a policy of reconciliation at a time when there was such tremendous bitterness built up over decades and decades of conflict. it was a titanic achievement for a leader, for a statesman, and that's why so many people looked up to nelson mandela. >> you know, as you pointed out earlier today, one of the remarkable things in his epic life is when he came to power, he was a man without spite or -- though he certainly must have had some anger, he did not act upon that anger. he was a conciliator. he brought people from the former apartheid government into h

his emphasis of what he used to say, south africa is there for all its people, black, white and all south africansuld tefee at home. he was a great unifier and a very, very special man in this regard. >> incredible he was able to bring down the subpoena for parti. >> yes, with fw clerk. there wouldn't happen if there wasn't a partner and other partners of mandela said, we have to get inside the head of the enemy, think like the white man and speak the language. we have to know who they are. they say it was a miracle they managed to pull off the '94 election because and you eluded to it, there was a lot of opposition from the freedom -- >> right, the zulu. >> and the whites, the awb and there was a big, big problem that could have exploded into -- >> a lot of people forgot that -- >> yeah, there was who ran ifpd and shootouts and gunfights. i remember going to a lot of anc funerals and ifc funerals -- >> very touch and go. >> given that election -- >> even in the month before, two months before i remember a huge gunfight in johannesburg. >> one of the things, anderson, we walked together on a long

. >>> in south africa today tens of thousands of black and white south africans took part in a national day of prayer and reflection to honor nelson mandela, their former president and antiapartheid activist who died thursday. nelson mandela understood that one of the nation's most popular sports, rugby, could play a big role in bridging south africa's racial divide. >> rugby was also divisive, a symbol of apartheid. to mandela it was an opportunity. it was just a year into his presidency. no one expected him to don the green and gold of the jersey. just listen to the reaction of the crowd, a white rugby crowd. and when south africa beat the country celebrated as one. the victory parade roared unprecedented unity. >> this achievement has united the whole nation. and what happened in which more than 100,000 people participated. [ inaudible ] this event has united the entire country. >> reporter: mandela's manipulation of sport to build a nation was though accident. in the week leading up to the scenes knowing white still steered him the country's first black president flew to the team tr

he understood white south africans had to be part of the solution just as black south africans.about it, it's incredible change can happen if we all do our part. >> ben, i want to ask you, when we talk about the next generation of leaders, do you feel we're invested collectively in our future in an equal society as we once were? >> yes. look, you see what's happening in florida in the south right now, the fightback that's happening. kids know movement matters. in many ways it started with mandela, young folks increasingly leading our country right now. he was the one who affirmed for us that movement matters. it transforms. being part of movement is not just something that we should do but something we must do. if we do it our world will be better. >> former naacp president and ceo ben jealous, thank you as always, my friend. thank you for your time. >> thank you, alex. >> thank you to my folks in new york, karen and eugene. do not forget to catch karen this and every weekend on "disrupt" 4:00 eastern on msnbc. that's all for now. i'll see you monday at noon eastern. "andrea mit

there are white south africans and black south africans here, both celebrating. at the end of apartheid this country could have seen racial violence. instead it's the most prosperous nation in africa. and few people could have accomplished that. amy and catherine said they are only friends because of mandela. their school was desegregated when apartheid ended. why was mandela important to you? >> he united a nation. i can have white friends, black friends. i can go to anywhere i please. >> he changed the south of south africa. >> reporter: nelson mandela never called for revenge after decades of oppression. his message of forgiveness made him one of the most respected men in the world. now honored by the leaders of the u.s., russia, and china. by the queen, the dalai lama, muhammed ali. india's prime minister compared him to gandhi. >> we are not likely to see another of his kind for a long time to come. >> reporter: martin luther king's daughter compared him to her father. >> he chose to take the high road. he chose to set an example of true moral and ethical le

so there was a lot of people trying to -- a liberal white south african didn't believe in sanctions. a lot of conflict about how it was the best. my personal view was grind it into the dust, there'll just be another basket case. we don't need that economically. but hit them hard with sanctions with a real punch so they'll be shock hadded by it and make a big historic decision. and they said this isn't going to last. we're going to turn it over to a black majority. we better get used to it fast. i think he deserved credit for that. >> president barack obama released -- came out and made a statement today at the white house. saying that his first political act was to participate in the anti-apartheid movement and what nelson mandela meant to him. but before nelson mandela's death was announced today, he spent over an hour with you and college students in a rare, unprecedented interview in town hall at american university. tell us about it. it's going to air after the show tonight. >> well, some of it was the usual kind of question you or i would put to him which is your concerns about