the term white supremacist, white nationalist is not included in your statement to the committee when you talk about threats to america. there's a reference to racism, which i think probably was meant to include that, but nothing more specific. we live in a world where the neo-nazis and white supremacists are taking lives in many places. white supremacists murdered 51 muslim worshipers in new zealand. in 2017, a white supremacist murdered six muslim worshipers in a mosque in quÉbec, canada. a white supremacist committed the shootings at the sikh temple shooting in oak creek, wisconsin, the emmanuel african methodist episcopal church in charleston, south carolina, the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh, pennsylvania, and the chabad of poway synagogue in poway, california. the reason i raise this is because there is concerned this is not being taken as seriously as it should be as one of the real threats in our country, and there is concern as well that the f.b.i. has changed its definition when it comes to race-related crimes. they have created a new category for what you call racial

it used to be white supremacist incidents. could you explain to me why there was this change, whether you contribute a serious threat, youwhat you are -- whether consider this a serious threat, and what you are doing about it? i ask you this in the context of a national conversation that is taking place every single day and this presidency about the issue of race and incitements to emotion and violence by the people who are using race as a motivator. wray: senator, let me unpack your question and little first bit. needless to say, we take domestic terrorism or hate crime regardless of ideology extremely seriously, i can assure you. and we are aggressively pursuing it using both counterterrorism resources and criminal investigative resources, and partnering closely with our state and local partners. in just the last little while we have had cases involving, for example, the coast guard lieutenant who was planning an attack on elected officials and here in this area -- sen. durbin: was that motivated by a white supremacist belie

-- and white supremacist extremism. host: how did it get started? guest: this is where you start to understand how new this is. this is an effort started by folks in the u.k.. it was a u.k. based group to pull together scholars and connect them with the public. the website has several dozen senior scholars and policy fellows and more jr. scholars ,ho write insight blogs op-ed's, they are posted with media partners and they try to connect that knowledge with the public to better inform everyone about the far right. they have scholars representing every region of the world. host: for folks who hear the name, the center for the analysis of the radical right, is there a radical left and what is the difference? guest: there is a radical left. there is a whole spectrum here. left, and there is even a terrorist left, eco-terrorism, animal-rights terrorism. when we are talking about the extreme fringes of the political spectrum, i am talking about people who are willing to use violence and even hurt civilians in order to make a

eight candidates have called him a white supremacist. oe biden, kamala harris, there are some who are equivocating fromit calling him a supremacist, saying he's supporting white supremacists but that he is not necessarily a white supremacist. >> yeah.>> hy do you think they're doing that? i mean, is there...and i guess what i'm getting at here is,he is a risk that calling the president of the united states a white supremacist s the new "deplorables," right? rememberte in ser of 2016... >> sure. >> ...hillary clinton referred to the supporters d ald trump as deplorables, and this became a rallying cry. >>t was just a wide... this was... let's be clear here. come on, margaret.co we're dealing with a very specific group of individuals who hate blacks, hate jews, hate any person of color. they do. they say this every single day. trump talks in their language. he incites them to take action.g now, i de with vice president biden. if you... and he is the president, with the biggest bully pulpit of anybody. >> yeah. >> so if he's inciting people

we have white supremacists who are marching hoodless in the streets, but then there are the white supremacists who are operating behind their computer screens. and that's how they are fund-raising and recruiting new members and doxing victims and unleashing troll campaigns like what happened to taylor dumpson here. we are using the law to say that we're going to hold you accountable. you are not above the law. we are going to paralyze your operations and bring them to grinding halt. we're not going to wait on the justice department that, you know, is just simply not doing enough, we're going to use every tool in our arsenal to fight back and let victims of hate crimes across our country know there are civil rights lawyers that are prepared to stand up for them and fight back. >> let me also just ask you as last question, how's your client doing? you opened here by talking about what she went through here. it happened to be heartening to her to be affirmed in her fight here by this judge. obviously, she's in a different place in her life now. this has been a very difficult couple of years. how

he's supporting white supremacists b that he is not necessarily a white supremacist. in yeah. >> whydo you th they're doing that? i mean, is there...and i guess what i'm getting at here is, is there a risk thatng the president of the united states a white supracist becomes the new "deplobles," right? remember in september of 2016... >> sure. >> ...hilly clinton referred to the supporters of donald trump as deplorables, ryd this became a rallying >> it was just a wide... this was... let's be car here. come on, margaret. we're dealing with a very specific group of individuals who hate blacks, hate jews, hate any person of color. they do. they say this every sile day. trump talks in their language. he incites them to take action. now, i disagree with vice president biden. if you.. and he is the president, with the biggest bully pulpit ol anybody. >> yeah. >> so if he's inciting people like this killer in el paso, i mean, come on. so i don't know why anyone is quibbling about it. he says and does things thatromote a white americato anring discord and racial divide to our country.el >> ul

plus more democrats calling trump a white supremacist. could the attacks put trump back in the white house in 2020? and breaking news this hour, the u.s. confirm north korea just launched two more missiles. as the president says, he got another beautiful letter from kim. let's go outfront. >>> and good evening i'm erin burnett, outfront tonight the empty promise. promising gun control. it's a promise he made before and broken. >> we have to have meaningful background checks. we need meaningful background checks. so that sick people don't get guns. >> okay. so today you heard him, president trump used the word meaningful 17 times. 17 times he used the word meaningful when talking about background checks. but if he means what he says, then he can take a stand, right. he could write the executive order now. let the nra and some in the gop fight him. take it to court, lose but stand. so tonight trump has a big choice to make, whether or not to be a president of his word because here are his words 18 months ago after the parkland mass shooting.

another paranoid white supremacist theory cited by the el paso gunman this weekend incidentally. the day after the torch lit anti-semitic white power rally in charlottesville, a self-proclaimed neo nazi who had driven to charlottesville from ohio specifically for this racist rally killed a counterprotester named heather higher and injured dozens more people when he deliberately drove his car at speed into a crowd of anti-racist protesters in charlottesville. this weekend being the anniversary of that murder and that big, proud racist white power display in an american city, that anniversary coming this weekend so closely on the heels of our country's worst ever terrorist attack targeting latinos and immigrants. this self-proclaimed racist massacre in el paso just this week. you know, if the president of our country were so inclined, because of the anniversary and because of what just happened in el paso this week, this would be kind of the obvious moment. this would be a good time one might imagine for the president to finally take back what he said about charlottesville in the im

in el paso, texas a gunman -- a white supremacist gunman opened fire at a walmart near a mall saturday. the mass murderer is believed to be patrick crusius, a 21-year-old white man who is now in police custody. the gunman posted a racist, antiti-immigrant manifesto online in which he said he he was quote defending my , country from cultural and ethnic replacementntrought invasion,", echoing the line used by trump to describe migrants. the el paso attack came just days after another whitete male shooter attacked the gilroyoy garlic fefestival in california, killing three people including a six-year-old boy. just before that shooting the gunman promoted an anti-immigrant manifesto online. it also came days after a walmart worker in mississippi shot and killed two fellow employees and wounded 2 others. calalls for walmart to stop selling guns and ammuninition. the el paso massacre is being treated as an act of domestic terrorism. this is u.s. attorney john bash.. >> the key factor here is it appears to be an intent to coerce or intimidate a certain population. it certainly appears to be i

going to fulfill the promises of donald trump. >> many people say donald trump is himself a white supremacist. whether he is or is not, there is no doubt he is a hero to many in the white supremacy movement. the current upsurge might have been triggered, however, because of another president. >> thank you. >> barack obama's election was a moment of joy and unity for millions of americans. >> god bless the united states of america. but some, perhaps many were shocked by it. >> clearly the presence of a black family in the white house deranged many millions of americans. >> once obama was in the white house, the backlash grew and grew. >> you remember some of the raci racist caricatures of obama as a monkey gourla. >> ugly overt race imts. >> barack hussein obama. >> why doesn't he give his birth certificate? >> the insendary charge that obama was not born in this country. >> no other american president was badgered to prove he was an american. the idea of whether he was born in the united states, i think that's a metaphor. >> is he one of us? answer, no. >> obama combined the two fires that fe

in el paso others say give him a chance to be the consoler in chief tonight i'll ask a former white supremacist what she thinks what if anything should the people expect from this president i'm burned off in berlin this is the day. i do blame our president since the moment he got into office the rhetoric that. well i think president trump has problems i truly feel that when. they keep hadn't started his campaign by coming down that is a labor and saying that mexicans are criminals and murderers and rapists. sometimes they got readers to disclose this to get our countries. to. encourage. i don't think. it's tight i've never seen it so close to the border that. you can see for it but it. also coming up in china issues in starkest warning yet to demonstrators in hong kong saying their demands will not be met and that their violence may be met with force. because soon as the liberty and equality and equality is the in a the end of all right so every citizen on that. we want to reign 100 full of violent criminals in the measuring hands behind them that those who play with fire will perish by it. and

my 1st guest tonight speaks with authority about the white supremacist movement in america because she used to be a member shannon vali martinez described herself as a former violent white supremacist she was able to change her heart and mind she now works with the free radicals project to help prevent radicalization of young americans she joins me tonight from our washington d.c. studio shanon we freesheet you taking the time to talk with us tonight your story it's fascinating you entered the white supremacist movement when you were 15 years old what was it about your childhood that that made you susceptible. how it felt like i was the black sheep in my family i never felt like i had a really deep sense of belonging and then that expanded as i got older and then i would be sexually assaulted when i was 14 years old and the rage that came after that. had me looking for those who exhibited rage and anger is people around me were at the white supremacist skinheads that were around me your family was not i assume your family was in a strong bulwark against that that. i didn't grow up in a

i mean we have a white supremacist as the president of the united states and he's protected by white supremacists in the u.s. senate and house of representatives and on the u.s. supreme court so there is a great deal of protection for people who hold these views that is his base so you agree then will democratic presidential candidates like bernie sanders who say that president trump's rhetoric has anti immigrant rhetoric is to blame for attacks like this at least partly to blame and if you're saying that there was a white supremacist in the white house can we expect anything to change while he remains there. i don't expect anything to change in fact this is going to only continue to get more inflamed this is his campaign strategy he can't run on anything else other than to to mirror the exact electoral map that got him into the white house in the 1st place he doesn't have anything to proclaim that he's accomplished to people so he is going to play to white supremacy and white people's fears all the way through to 2020 so i think it's imperative that we impeach him and get him out of

there is now a worldwide movement of white supremacists. sharing their twisted ideas on the internet. in march, a gunman massacred 51 people at prayer in new zealand. in his 87-page manifesto, the terrorist cited his inspiration. white supremacists in america, britain, sweden, norway. in a vicious circle of hate. the el paso shooter cited new zealand as inspiration. all of these people believe they are being replaced and must fight to resist it. and much of this discourse on white supremacy is centered in the united states of america. how did this happen? where did it come from? after slavery, the holocaust, the civil rights movement. the truth is race has been the central conflict in american life from the day the republic was born. we've witnessed extreme racism before in periods of upheaval and rapid social change, and now once again we are living in such a time. >> hail trump. hail our people. hail victory. >> we need to make america great again. >> trump definitely energized the alt right. because we have this connection with him, we c

in el paso others say give him a chance to be the consoler in chief tonight i'll ask a former white supremacist what she thinks what if anything should the people expect from this president i'm burnt off in berlin this is the day. and i didn't blame our president since the moment he got into office the rhetoric that eat. well i think president trump has a problem i truly feel that way. to keep hadn't started his campaign by coming down the labor and feeding techniques because they're criminals and murderers and rapists. i'm part of the good leadership just as the good of our country has to. do is encourage. i don't feel safe and want. to despite i've never seen it so close to the border. and. also coming up in china issues in starkest warning yet to demonstrators in hong kong saying their demands will not be met and that their violence may be met with force that has. liberty and equality and it quality a.b.n. of all right so every citizen when that. we want to reign 100 full of violent criminals in the measuring hands behind them that those who play with fire will perish by it. and to our viewe

look, it's not hard to know who is a white supremacist. we look on twitter, david duke, former grand wizard of the klu klux klan is on twitter. get that guy out of here. >> right. >> it's not that hard. there is a difference between white people and white supremacist. the line is very clear. folks who are adversarying or inciing violence against historically oppressed groups don't deserve a platform. they don't deserve amplification. they have a right to free speech but they don't deserve for the companies to be amplifying them. the companies ought not to be prospering from hate. >> where do you thee see this discussion going? the politics as jessica is alluding to are really complex. >> i think this is likely to stay where it is right now which is that private companies are going to be the ones making decisions about where to draw the line. so in this case, it was cloudflair, but it could have been face book or twitter. it could have been a web host. in the absence of any meaningful federal standard on where to draw the line on this, whic

if you're racist you're a white supremacist. absolutely there's no question about it. and i think donald trump is a racist. i think he's very clear in his support for white supremacy. he's made it clear from the beginning of his campaign when he said -- came down the escalator and he said mexican immigrants are rapists and they're criminals. he reiterated this at charlottesville when he clearly took a stand, said there are good people on both sides. he basically sided with the kkk. he sided with white supremacists. he sided with the american nazi party. he sided with a murderer of heather heyer. and so i think it's clear, he's a racist, he's encouraging white supremacist. he's a racist. i don't think we need to equivocate at all about that clear fact. the question is what should we do about it? and i think it's time for every american including elected republican officials to take a clear stance, to say this is wrong. and that's why i believe that el paso is a game changer. >> here's why i think people are hesitant to say trump is white supremacist whether definitionall

white supremacist is a ziomedia conspiracy theory. diversity is a threat, immigrants are invading and turns to say with a straight face, white supremacy, what white supremacy? >> if you were to assemble a list, a hierarchy of concerns of problems this country face, where would white supremacy be on the list? right up there with russia, probably. it's actually not a real problem in america. the combined membership of every white supremacist organization in this country would be able to fit inside a football stadium. >> carlson, like the president that he apologizes for, knows what he's doing. in this case it's a clumsy little bait and switch in which he argues the only problem are the relatively small numbers of people who are members of a white supremacist organization. but as far as we know the killer in el paso was wasn't a member of an organization and the killer at the synagogue at pittsburgh wasn't a member on an organization. scream at this to go back to their country, who berate people in gas stations because they're speaking s

earlier today the president addressed being labeled a white supremacist by some of the democrats. >> democrats calling you and your supporters white nationalist help you? >> i don't think it helps. i don't like when they do it because i'm not any of those things. it's a disgrace and shows how desperate the democrats are. >> let's talk about it tonight with two journalist in the thick of it starting with jackie, political reporter for "the washington post" and author of the paper's morning newsletter appropriate recalled power up and politics reporter covering the 2020 campaign for the "wall street journal." jackie, what do you think is more unusual, the fact that democrats are saying the president is a white supremacist or the fact people in his orbit are saying we're fine with that, it gives us something to fight back on. >> if we take a step back here, i'm not sure anyone would expect in 2015 for the entire field of 20 plus democratic candidates to call the president of the united states a white supremacist. that is startling fact in and of itself. and i would say the more predictab

which another person motivated by white supremacist ideology, one of the most prominent extremists. is the white nationalism we elected the president for. so the president by not saying something is sending a message. he can clear that up today, but again, today is just the beginning. unfortunately i think it's a little bit too late. because the message he's been sending for the last few years is the reason these people feel emboldened. >> so 8 chan which is this website that has served as the host for so many of these hateful terroristic thoughts, cloud fair which is the security apparatus that was hosting the site, they stopped working for 8chan this morning. is that enough? >> well, it's a start. so let's keep in mind what 8chan is. we often use services like facebook and twitter and youtube. 8chan is a cesspool for the worst elements in our society to talk about things like child pornography and violent extremism and the ideology around it. but there's a whole value chain that makes services like 8chan work. so cloud fair has done something important. by refusing to provide the

indigenous peoples but then the really first terrorist organization in america was made up of white supremacist force aftermatter of fact civil war. they arose because they didn't like the demographic change that was happening. right? they wanted to preserve a white man's republic above all else. they used their weapons to terrorize free back people of the south. they slaughtered and murdered people in memphis, tennessee in 1866. they slaughtered and murdered people with the backing of a local militia in sheriffs in 1866 in new orleans. they organized the klu klux klan for night raids. they shot people in the dead of night. they ransacked people's homes. they left nooses. they roughed black people up on the way to the polls. you know, there were more than 2000 murders in the state of kansas in the election related to the election of 1868. mostly black people and republicans. all of this was done, all of it with the explicit purpose of what that individual went down to el paso to do. what he wanted. to stem the tide of the erosion of the demographic power in american democracy for the white man.

of the democrats seeking to replace him in the oval office are openly calling the president a white supremacist. >> good evening, john, do mass shootings this week a month congressional democrats are pushing the white house to call and senators to return to washington and address of bills that would expand it background checks. they have moved from criticizing the president to calling him a racist. >> when he has done is even worse, he's a white to premised across this country. >> cleaning president trump is a racist and white supremacist. she joins former congressman and senator bernie sanders and elizabeth warren. campaigning in iowa, warren told "the new york times" "he has done the week and then not least talked about white supremacists as fine people. done everything he can to stir up racial conflict and hatred in this country. this afternoon, former president joe biden. >> i think every thing the president has done to encourage us what to permissive. >> they are running a predictable tire to play, he references congressman, alexandria ocasio-cortez and house speaker nancy pelosi singled o

the number one threat to the american people in terms of their personal security is threat of white supremacisterrorism. that's not just my view, that's the view of the director of the fbi. a normal president would be running meetings on this in the white house. a normal president would be putting more resources on this challenge. a normal president would have department of justice and homeland security trying to figure out what the radicalization process that is leading to these shootings. if you look at donald trump, what we hear from the reporting is the department of homeland security scrubbed mentions of white supremacist terrorism in favor of just focusing on islamic terrorism because they don't want to upset trump. just think about that. because they don't want to upset the feelings of the president of the united states, his own team is avoiding bringing to him the number one threat to the american people. if we look at the juxtaposition of guns, another national security threat, white supremacist terrorism and russian interference in our election, these are the national security challen

is he a white supremacist? half a dozen candidates say yes, but most of the candidates aren't willing to quite go that far. president trump was asked this morning if there's any way his base can use this to their advantage in 2020. >> democrats call you and your supporters a white nationalist or white supremacist. does that help you? >> i don't think it helps. first of all, i don't like it when they do it because i am not any of those things. i think it's a disgrace. i think it shows how desperate the democrats are. for them to throw out the race word again, racist, racist, racist, that's all they use. they call nancy pelosi a racist. she's not a racist. they call anybody a racist when they run out of cards. >> nearly every 2020 democrat getting ready to speak to voters at the iowa state fair and attend a key fund-raising dinner tonight. we've got ann's arlette saenz who joins me live from clear lake, iowa, where the famous democratic wing ding dinner takes place. arlette, tell us what to expect tonight at that

testified last month that in the year 2019 they've made more domestic terrorist arrests related to white supremacist and white nationalism than in 2018. and so, again, the data, the facts show it. there's really nothing to argue about. but for some reason we're in denial as a country. something about race makes us uncomfortable. until we face that, we will see this hatred continue to rise and standing by and allowing it to happen is, you know, it's just completely unacceptable. those who are in power who have that responsibility need to step up and do something about it. >> we don't need a civics course, we need law enforcement to deal with what the head of the fbi said. this is not al sharpton. this is not activists. this is the head of the fbi saying, antonio, this is a real problem. they are the ones that have done the most terrorist acts, yet there's been no statement from the justice department that there's going to be a disarming of these groups. natasha and antonio, thank you both. it's been one week since the horrific mass shooting in el paso. fewer have been more outraged than city's former

it's a white supremacist terrorist. if you read his 4-page machine f -- manifesto, it spells it out. after reading the manifesto of the christchurch where he killed 51 people in march, including a 3-year-old boy and they used all the terms used by donald trump. invasion, right? cultural replacement. that the white race and the white identity will be replaced by these immigrants, these criminals, these terrorists. if you simpl simply replace christchurch, it's almost an kpkt co exact copy of the -- i want to remind people, donald trump promoted this white supremacist conspiracy theory of the invasion to win the midterm elections. when he did that, people forget this, around that same month, robert bowers walked into the tree of life synagogue and shot and killed 11 people because he wanted to punish the invaders. connect the dots. >> you mentioned the president and the report says that his campaign -- his officials on his campaign actually welcome some of the 2020 democratic candidates for publicly calling him a white su

and the idea that this massive up tick in white supremacist violence that all these white supremacistsaying on these message boards. you know, beggars' belief here, th nicole. should democrats talk about these things or should they talk about pocketbook issues like health care? if you want to be president of the united states, you have to lead and you have to talk about everything. you have to be willing to call out these profound trends that are shaking cohesion in our society and threatening the lives of the american people. and you have to talk about pocket book issues like health care and education and other things. and so i'm glad that democrats aren't shying away from this debate. i think the american people particularly in some of those swing districts are smart enough to figure out what the character of this president is and to figure out which president they think is going to make the most difference in their lives. >> i want to impact just a couple of your points. a normal president has 30 to 50 contacts on their schedule every day. a normal president does six events before n

of homeland security who were trying to include domestic terror threats such as those from white supremacistster priority. one spelled out in the national counter-terrorism strategy issued last year. homeland security battled the white house for more than a year to focus more on domestic terrorism but the white house wanted to focus only on the jihadist threat and while serious ignored the reality that racial supremacist violence was rising fast at home. they had major ideology blinders on. the counter-terrorism issued last fall and a source involved in the discussions put it to me, quote, ultimately the white house added one paragraph about domestic terrorism as a throw-away line and makes no admission to domestic terrorism and they said homeland security is behind of the curve because of the lack of support from the white house. recall back in march president trump was asked directly about the threat of white supremacy and white nationalism after 51 innocent muslims were murdered in the deadly mosque attack in new zealand. >> -- white nationalism is a rising threat around the world. >> i do

reported the fbi has seen a significant rise in the number of white supremacist domestic terrorism casesray confirmed that to congress. made roughly 100 domestic terrorist arrest and most white supremacy calling it consistent. data base it out. hate crimes rose during trump's presidency, found murders p nearly double. "washington post" found counties that hosted a trump ralie in 2016 saw a 226% increase in reported hate crimes. none of this happens in a vacuum. remember the rally where the president asked how can you stop illegal immigrants and someone yelled shoot them. the crowd laughed and the president smiled. when a gunman killed 51 muslims in new zealand after complaining about invaders, president trump said this the same day about our southern border. quote, people hate the word invasion. that's what it is. it's something he's said more than a dozen times atrialies and tweets. this is strategy. president trump says it's critical to stop the invasion. this rhetoric resonates with white supremacists. we've used the same language as invasion massacres at tree of life in pittsburgh, m

do you believe that the president is a white supremacist? >> i believe everything the president has said and has done encourages white supremacists. and i'm not sure there's much of a distinction. as a matter of fact, it may be even worse. >> reporter: several of biden's opponents have gone even further. >> is the president a white supremacist? >> he is. he's also made that very clear. >> reporter: in an interview with "the new york times," elizabeth warren reportedly responding "yes" when asked if she thinks president trump is a white supremacist. today in iowa, warren doubled down. >> he can't have it both ways. he can't keep trying to stir this up, give aid and comfort, be embraced by the white supremacists and then say "oh, but not me." no, he's responsible. >> reporter: after the hate-filled massacre in el paso, trump has insisted his rhetoric is not to blame. >> no, i don't think my rhetoric has at all. i think my rhetoric is very -- it brings people together. >> reporter: and he's trying to turn the tables, insisting democrats are the

they're white supremacists. they seek to hurt and terrorize and kill their perceived racial and demographic enemies. so they see the attacks themselves as a positive. further, they hope these attacks with be cathartic. they're always trying to set off wider and wider and more and more terrifying racial murder and violence and terror. the more the better. ultimately, finally they hope they can engender enough violence and terror and murder against, you know, you name it, people of color and immigrants and jews and people they perceive as leftists or anybody else they define as their enemy or their target, they ultimately hope to cause as much violence and terror and murder against those populations that they inspire inevitable violent backlash. because they want it to be a war. they think once the country gets into a full-on whites against everyone race war, they're quite sure they'll win and they'll get their, you know, white homeland or whatever it is they want. so in the late 1980s there is this guy named tom

he's a white supremacist! >> he supports white supremacy so what else can you conclude?quick. one minute you're answering questions about pork chops on a stick and another you're getting yelled at to call the president a white supremacist. say id, say id! hold on, hold on! it's like a racist ideology, sometimes they wear robes -- dam independent, just say it! white supremacist! say it, say it! ( laughter ) now, coming into this weekend, former vice president joe biden had a clear lead in the iowa polls, but you know that old story of the race between the tortoise and the hare? this was just like that if the hare was 76 years old and kept sticking his food in his mouth. >> still ahead, joe biden called himself a gaffe machine in the past but is that now turning from a folksy joke to a real problem? >> we have this notion that somehow if you're poor you cannot do it. poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids -- wealthy kids, black kids, asian kids. no, i really mean it, but think how we think about it... >> trevor: oh, i don't know what's worse, sugge

we're warriors and we're fighting for a great cause which is the white race. >> he says the white supremacist movement has gained momentum, attracting new recruits with the euphemism "white nationalist" to literally whitewash their hateful ideology. nobody really likes to be associated with white supremacy out in the open. so they come up with terms like white nationalist or alt right to make themselves sound a little bit more palatable. >> christan abandoned white supremacy in his early 20s, and now works to disengage youth from extremist ideologies. >> i can tell you that the antidote is not more alienation. it is not pushing them further away. we have to intercept these people before they get so desperate that they have to latch on to an ideology. >> in the wake of the el paso shooting, president trump expressing his distaste for hate in general. >> i'm concerned for any group of hate. i don't like it. >> and tasking the justice department with targeting social media. >> work in partnership with local state and federal agencies, as well as social media companies, to develop tools that can

look abroad to some foreign analog, some terrorist enemy like isis for the threat of american white supremacist seeking to use violence to impose a white ethnostate in america, right? that's an american tradition. in fact, it's not just an american tradition. it's really sort of the inception of what terrorism in america is. first, there were white settlers and they often used terror and violence to take land from indigenous peoples and then the very first real terrorist cell in america, the first terrorist organization in america was made up of white supremacist forces of the defeated confederacy in the aftermath of the civil war and they arose because they didn't like the demographic change that was happening, right? they want to preserve a white man's republic above all else and so they used their weapons to terrorize free black people of the south. they slaughtered and murdered people in memphis, ten tnessee 1866 and they slaughtered and murdered people with the backing of the local militia and sheriffs in 1966 in new orleans and they organized the ku klux klan for night raids and they rans

neither is white supremacist violence.ad a string of years, over a a decade where we saw violent act after violent act that have even spurred copy cat acts. we're not living in a post racial society. we're in a nation full of racism and white supremacy. >> you say that as someone who lived it. you were part of this movement. you say actually the worst is yet to come. what do you mean? >> i was involved for eight years in my youth. the things i hear out of the president's mouth are identical to things i would have been very happy about when i was part of that movement. everything from an immigration ban, to a muslim ban, building a way, to the way we talk about other countries. i can pull that out of the lyrics i wrote 30 years ago today. to believe that people aren't acting on those things, i used to say those things in order for people to act. those things are causing people to die. there has to be responsibility for that. >> tim, how does today stack up against past eras in this country? racial tensions were even greater

they went after both islamic extremists and white supremacists. hink those techniques are very smart. >> very quickly, tony, what do you get a sense of in terms of the bias that the white house accuses social media of having against conservative bloggers and influencers on there? is that something that the white house may try to link to this saying, hey, you know what, combat violent extremism but don't silence the voices that support us? >> the president has accused these companies of being biased against conservatives even though at times the evidence that he has cited for that has been easily debunked by experts in the digital space. and you can see that juxtaposition from the social media summit just last month and the conversation that we're having today. so when you talk to the tech companies they say it puts them in a bit of a bind because they're being told on one hand keep your hands off content. and on the other hand that they should be much more active in the kinds of stuff that they take down or that they leave up. >> it is a slippery s

and when white supremacists think that you are a white supremacist, that's a problem. and this is the president that they believe is a white supremacist. they believe he is their savior. they believe that he got elected for them, and emboldens them. this is something many of us if you're a person of color living in this country and you saw what was going on in 2016, you knew what was happening. you knew exactly who donald trump was. and you knew even years before 2011 with birtherism. this is not something that's new for many of us. it's just now finally being told and finally being said out loud where no one feels kind of ooh i'm going to get taken out for saying that word. that is just the reality. we haven't been in this reality for a long time. >> i think nick's point is an important one. this is now deliberate. this is a campaign strategy. >> there's money behind it. >> we have known for a long time, i get it, he has 2,000 ads on facebook. but this has been deliberate since 2011 when he decided he was going to jump into the political arena. this is not new. >> kar